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Randy Dupree 03-16-2019 09:31 AM

slide seals on the 450
 
Woody asked the other day about the slide seals on the 450.
I know its not the air seal like the LXI"s and LXs used.
So it must be a bulb seal like a car door uses?
or is it a wiper seal?
When i had a slideout LXI i was talking about finding a seal to replace the air seal,but i sold the coach before i needed one.


Does anybody have the seal info?

Icefixr66 03-16-2019 10:33 AM

Randy, from what I can see on my coach the slide seal is a combination wiper and a bulb seal and it looks to be just cemented to the frame around the inside of the slide frame ( coach side, not the actual slide body

rwoody 03-16-2019 10:55 AM

Mike wish i could see that


Im going this direction..not going to go with that inner tube deal

Icefixr66 03-16-2019 11:08 AM

Woody. I’ll snap a pic a little later when I go back to the garage

Randy Dupree 03-16-2019 12:53 PM

Hey Mike! a pic would be great!

al perna 03-17-2019 10:04 AM

I think no mater how you do it in time they all need to be replaced . Like a wiper they dry out and crack , so why not just replace the seal . In the 6+ years I only replaced 1 and she is still holding fine . I did upgrade to a larger vacuum as advised by HWH when I was there last summer . He showed me on a demo how greater vacuum created more room for the slide to pass.

Randy Dupree 03-17-2019 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by al perna (Post 445651)
I think no mater how you do it in time they all need to be replaced . Like a wiper they dry out and crack , so why not just replace the seal . In the 6+ years I only replaced 1 and she is still holding fine . I did upgrade to a larger vacuum as advised by HWH when I was there last summer . He showed me on a demo how greater vacuum created more room for the slide to pass.


Yep,the seals last a good long time.

b1gsur 03-17-2019 11:27 AM

450 slide seal


Cleanseal.com


P/N ZG7058

rwoody 03-17-2019 12:19 PM

http://cleanseal.com/images/cleangri...crc=4200016027
so the 450 has a bar in the seal channel to hold this??????:confused:and a outside flange to compact the round part?

Icefixr66 03-17-2019 12:21 PM

3 Attachment(s)
Never got to the garage last night, sorry. And the pic was hard to get an angle onso included is a da vinci drawing. Did not bother to rotate pics 2 and 3 since they don’t show much

GregOC 03-17-2019 12:22 PM

Off the jacks requirement to open and close a 450 is a bit confusing also points to the need to read the owners manual and follow engineer instructions for what ever their reason.I plan to look at the 450 wanderlodge.com has in California, good to know i dont need to check slide tubes.. On the air blatter seals in the other lxi's, as instructed, they need full airtanks for the seal evacuate process to complete.

Icefixr66 03-17-2019 12:22 PM

That’s it Woody. The bar is part of the coach body. And also per Dan’s part #. The sealhasa 2” wiper so letter b

rwoody 03-17-2019 12:30 PM

i guess i have a hard time to grasp how that would seal around the round corners we have and looks like it needs a lip to complete closure of the seal


I think I got it--------
so looking at the side of bus bottom of the slide..the flap stands up-------the 2 bulbs are to double up the seal---------


so we can push in slide--------install a piece of angle iron all around slide..push on seal to install-lubricate it with slide spray and let er go............

Icefixr66 03-17-2019 12:34 PM

What lip? To hold the seal in place? Yes that is correct. I imagine the air seal does not have that ridge to attach the seal to the coach body. The wiper seals the corners as it bends around the corner. Our corners are round too

Icefixr66 03-17-2019 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregOC (Post 445664)
Off the jacks requirement to open and close a 450 is a bit confusing also points to the need to read the owners manual and follow engineer instructions for what ever their reason.I plan to look at the 450 wanderlodge.com has in California, good to know i dont need to check slide tubes.. On the air blatter seals in the other lxi's, as instructed, they need full airtanks for the seal evacuate process to complete.

The quick and easy fix for the slide issues is this, put a quarter inch ball valve in the airline going to the air manifold for the slide locks . Once that is in place manually unlock the slides with the buttons that are on the manifold then shut the air off via that quarter inch ball valve and wait for all the air to exit the system and the red lights to come on indicating that the slides are unlocked . Once you do that leave the air shut off to that manifold . It has been determined that the slide motor and worm gear that runs the slide in and out is stout enough that the slides do not need to be locked . The motor that operates the slides is a worm gear direct drive motor and does not move until power is applied to it

GregOC 03-17-2019 12:55 PM

A bunch of talk about the air seal vaccum pump on prevost forums. But kind of wish the 450 had an airseal, if owners follow proper procedures they are tight and work great. When i shopped for my 99 lxi one owner opened the slide in his garage and you could hear the rubber drag. Then Rickey Craven pit manager went to open the slide on the one I bought and he first started the detroit to airup. Reset auto jacks, turned key, checked drivers seat, waited for light, hit the button, no rubber noise. I asked why he aired up he said it was one of the design procedures i am not the one to ask.

Icefixr66 03-17-2019 01:03 PM

Having done this procedure on my coach , I can run my slides in or out whether the coach be aired up, aired down ,on the jacks ,off the jacks ,it don’t matter

b1gsur 03-17-2019 04:53 PM

Bluebird procedure for the 450 by Bluebird. QA--Allen Barbee



FOFI


First out, Last in


Always in road height when moving slides, due to chassis twist ( 300 inch wheelbase ), they may bind if in any other mode ( like level, over high, or on the bumpers ).

b1gsur 03-17-2019 10:03 PM

Sorry guys on the acronym.


Should be FOLI


First put the slides out at road height, then level and last when leaving after road height attained, put the slides in.

rwoody 03-18-2019 05:25 PM

thanks too all for this information


Just got a sample coming..think its a upgrade over that silly inner tube deal!!!

Randy Dupree 03-18-2019 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwoody (Post 445744)
thanks too all for this information


Just got a sample coming..think its a upgrade over that silly inner tube deal!!!


I don't think you have enough room to put the 450 seal in your LX Woody.
Now prove me wrong! (with pics!)

rwoody 03-18-2019 10:40 PM

measures pretty close!


My sales Lady said if its too much ....that they make a smaller one 305 bux for 100 ft


that will do 2 living room slides


gotta figure this out!!!!

Buck 03-19-2019 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregOC (Post 445676)
A bunch of talk about the air seal vaccum pump on prevost forums. But kind of wish the 450 had an airseal, if owners follow proper procedures they are tight and work great.


My 450 doesn't leak around the slide seals, it leaks at the slide rails. You can feel a breeze some days....lol


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