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clyndes 04-07-2010 10:51 AM

Page 116

Interesting reading on a day home sick. Lawyers certainly have an interesting job. I feel sorry for the engineer!

JackandLiz 04-07-2010 11:40 AM

What are the charges in this lawsuit?
Guess I've missed something. I read through Pg 32. WHAT are the charges in this lawsuit? What is the plaintiff asking for?


DTW1086@cox.net 04-07-2010 01:25 PM

Very interesting reading, I stayed up til 1:00 AM reading the whole thing.

Bumpersbird 04-07-2010 02:29 PM

That was interesting I read all 258 pages.

Unless I'm mistaken there will not be a happy ending.

Owners are stuck holding the dirty end of the stick. Three of four choices for who is responsible, builders, suppliers, engineers, dealers. Sure looks like there were a lot of cooks in the Kitchen.

The engineers had an idea that something wasn't right with the statements of "The Coaches Are Getting Heavier" They'll throw someone under the bus that's certain. Management, :rolleyes: typical S.N.A.F.U.

I guess determining which Owner Group and when they knew there was a problem would be culpable.

Of course that may be too logical and of course knowing nothing about the law I wouldn't place a bet on who Pays!

There will be no winners, Everybody looses on this one. Mostly guys like us, The Owners F.U.B.A.R.

Joatha 04-07-2010 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by Bumpersbird (Post 52600)
There will be no winners, Everybody looses on this one. Mostly guys like us, The Owners F.U.B.A.R.

Oh...there will be one set of winners - the lawyers. Everyone else? Nope. They'll all lose.

I read it over lunch today - very fascinating. And, that was just one examination - the engineer. I thought that the engineer did a good job of testifying. He said what he knew and what he didn't know.

davidmbrady 04-07-2010 06:05 PM

One of my favorite passages regarding testing at "The Bosch Proving Grounds in South Bend Indiana", page 243:

"2 A, We torqued the coach enough to where we were popping
3 skins loose and breaking windows.
4 Q, Why would you do that to the coach?
5 A, Because I wanted to see what it could do.
6 Q, Essentially you wanted it to fail?
7 A, I wanted to see how far you can take it
8 before it does fail.
9 Q, And what was your assessment of the
10 durability testing on the coach?
11 A, Well, we passed all the testing. We were
12 complimented numerous times by the technicians at
13 Sound Bend. We would leave -- I actually went to the
14 track once and we would leave to go on our durability
15 cycle, and all -- there was another RV company that
16 had a unit there, and they would go to the track just
17 to drive in circles, and we would go out in the
18 woods, and we would be doing these events that
19 just -- I couldn't film it inside. I had to get out
20 to film it. And it just -- it was a tank on wheels
21 and that's what we were going after."

markusfmeyer 04-07-2010 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by JackandLiz (Post 52585)
Guess I've missed something. I read through Pg 32. WHAT are the charges in this lawsuit? What is the plaintiff asking for?


Bottom line, there were issues with several coaches, including a death apparently. I think from what I've read so far, they are trying to figure out what BB knew, or didn't know. Just like with Toyota now, if it turns out they hid information they knew that could have prevented fatalities or accidents, they will be way more liable than otherwise - because they knowingly surpressed or hid information. I think the biggest issue here is that the company changed hands several times, and it looks like they didn't do a great job of documenting things either officially.

Obviously the person who died and their family will never "win". Not sure what damages the other 2 coaches sustained other than tire blowouts. I find it interesting that one way to address the problem was a bunch of changes that they thought would cost close to a million, about as much as a coach cost to build. Not sure if they considered different axles, but again, this isn't the first time this has cropped up. First off, the early BMCs had this same issue on the rear axle. Then, other manufacturers in the RV industry have long been doing the same thing. One obvious way to address it is by making thinner, less heavy materials - hence the stick and staple coaches, which BB never built. That didn't leave them many options unfortunately.

Bottom line, if someone thought there was an issue and never notified owners of the potential problems and furthermore knew something bad and knowingly hid it, the lawyers will have a field day. What a shame. The Luce family is probably quite ashamed of how things turned out compared to how things started.

dentmac 04-07-2010 08:09 PM

Read the rest of the public documents on NHTSA
Go to the NHTSA site:

select "defect investigations"
select search defects
use DP09006
select search documents
3 days of reading

Randy Dupree 04-07-2010 08:27 PM

Truly a sad story,and to think it could have been prevented.

iamflagman 04-07-2010 08:50 PM

I have been very busy tonight and just now have had a chance to post this message on this thread.

There is no need to double post your messages as this thread is being moderated because of past abuses on the topic of the lawsuit, so please bear with me, I will read each post and so far everyone has been behaving themselves and all of them have been approved, except for the duplicate post which only one of then was approved and the other deleted.

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