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Revision 08-01-2019 07:13 PM

Finn's Inn Flies Again
 
I've been lax to post as we've been busy with daily life for the time being, but I might as well start somewhere. I typically use "build threads" as a compendium for myself more than anything else hence the bold notes, and as a reference for me to look back on, but we'll get started;


So we're in Maine at the moment, the bus is fully insured for purchased value at $360/yr for the time being...I'll need to wander over to the insurance forum to figure out appraisals and whatnot, but that will be a little while yet. Maine is great for low premiums but bad for high cost of excise tax. Anyway, to catch up briefly;


Got the bus back to Maine with a few issues, but I'll address those as I address them.


In the meantime, we have removed all the carpet in the bus with the exception of the budweiser red that is under the forward couch. I still have to take the couch apart to get to that. We will be making changes to the layout of the bus to suit our needs and will be replacing the flooring with LVP. I am unsure as to what I intend to do to replace the carpet on the doghouse, so we'll leave that as TBD. There are ton of systems, switches and gadgets that I have yet to identify or learn to work.



The generator would shut down at temperature. After some troubleshooting, coolant was not flowing. I am not sure if the thermo was stuck or if it was vapor locked, but was able to get it flowing by squeezing the hose as well as releasing the purge on the cap. It stays running now and will charge the bus. As for loading up the generator, there is a delay between flipping the main selector and electricity clicking on which I am currently attributing to the surge protector thingy that was retrofitted into the rear of the bus. Additionally, I have no working gauges for the genset and am unable to monitor it, so will be addressing/adding accordingly. Known current issues are a leaking oil pressure sensor and full fluid change on genset, lack of engine monitoring.


Fuel system algae needs to be addressed. Tank was pressed up but sitting for a year. I changed the racor/fuel filter, but pressure at the electronic aftermarket gauge remains in the 1 to 4 psi range after filter change. I guess this could be normal, but I have no log or way of telling unless there is a post that I haven't found yet. My wife will be driving the bus for the first time this weekend...we are off to fill the bus back up with fuel as well as shock with biocide and once again new racor/fuel filter. The racor vacuum gauge does not work, so I'll need to address that.


Our first dinner aboard was delicious fajitas cooked with steak, chicken and chorizo, all three food groups.


We'll need both a travel and maintenance logbook, as neither exist at this time.

There is no engine driven A/C. Will explore that at a future date but, in the meantime, intend to travel with the windows open and plan our year strategically around the climate.


The stereo aboard is an older Kenwood unit that has a tape deck built in and an offboard CD changer. Unfortunately, both the CD changer and the tape deck are broken, and the radio has no bluetooth. Additionally, the unit only has one set of preamps which are currently run into an EQ that splits the signal and then feeds two Kenwood 4 channel amps. There are 12 speakers aboard of which 4 in the back I cannot figure out how to get turned on. There is no subwoofer, which not only rounds out the sound but also protects your other speakers when properly tuned, and I happen to have an old type-r 10" 1200w sub downstairs, so I ordered a Pioneer GM-D9601 which will drive the type r @1000w RMS @ 2ohms and has a remote knob to make adjustment easy. I have no idea yet where I will build the sub box, but it will be low, probably under the couch, haven't decided yet on ported or sealed yet but my inclination is towards sealed for the tightness and response as I favor rock over rap. Additionally, I have a DEH-80PRS kicking around which is an entry level SQ deck. I'll be rotating that in which loses the CD/Tape capability, but gives me a full set of higher voltage preamps, bluetooth, and the ability to run lossless music from an SSD, which is my preferred method of delivery. I need to explore options for audio integration as well, as the bus will have a computer system aboard for me to do my work/edit videos, and it would be nice to stream music directly as well as to connect the PS4. We'll also be exploring the option for outside speakers, as well as replacing the kenwoods as they break (foam surrounds.) Media will exclusively be streamed and the TV antenna/satellite will no longer be used. I also have no idea whether or not the bluetooth phone function will work in the bus although I am optimistic; I am running a similar system in an E-350 with the 7.3 and the noise cancelling does a good job of cutting the engine out of the call.


We need to look into navigation. I hate google maps. The guy that programs it better hope we never meet, because I'm going to toss him out of an office window and then scream "REROUTING!!!" after him. I know John used a windows-based Delorme product, but I am linux exclusive and need to investigate options/trucker GPS/etc. In the meantime, we'll pre-run routes as much as possible and stick to the common truck route.


I am losing transmission fluid. The bus took a gallon at purchase when checking fluids. I've added another half gallon during the 1500 mile trip. This seems excessive No visible signs of leaks and oil does not smell burnt. We'll be parking over cardboard and investigating further.


There is a rotational "click" in the front left wheel assembly. The center cap was removed from the bus when I purchased it. I assumed it had fallen off and yet to have been replaced. I did not hear the click initially, and subsequently later found the cap inside the bus which leads me to believe that John was investigating something after his last trip. We're on the hunt for a mechanic in Bangor to adjust/inspect accordingly.


There's a digi-panel engine monitoring/dummy alarm system which is nice, but reports low voltage at idle. This seems to be relegated to the panel itself, as the gauges read between 13.2 and 14.7 elsewhere. This is most likely a ground issue and I need to investigate. May also be due to the dead starting bank battery.


Immediate plans (for this weekend) are;


I) Biocide treatment/fuel bus/change filters/racor.

II) Remove the rest of the carpet from under the couch.

III) Install stereo.
IV) Haul everything out of the basement/stor-mor cabinets and make a complete inventory of spares/adapters/etc.




We are planning a short hop to Southern Maine with family for the weekend of the 17th. We'll need to get brakes inspected and will probably have a tech go over everything/grease etc.


The Galaxy DX99 is still at the shop waiting on parts. In the meantime, I'm going to dump my modified Ranger 2950 in there.



We will also begin brainstorming layouts and are currently on the hunt for a replacement range. There is a propane cooktop in there now along with a microwave, but we bake a ton and don't use a microwave, so researching small units that will still allow for high outputs. Additionally, we're currently toying with the addition of a solar maintainer panel that we can later add capacity as we develop our off-grid systems.



Select pics are currently on instagram and you don't need to have an account to view as far as I am aware. We will later be adding content to .com, facebook and youtube, but I need to film more and then devote a couple hours of hard coding to build a website. I will add pics here as well as I see things of interest.



Anyway, that's what's going on in this corner of the world. Thanks for reading, fair winds and fun adventures!

biobug 08-01-2019 07:33 PM

AWESOME! Big John is smiling up there! It is great to see the "Bud Bus" on the road and "watching the flowers grow!"
John was more than a Wanderlodge owner to most of us. He was "THE MAN!" He knew he was just a landlord for a while of the most famous Wanderlodge in existance.. I only met him once at "Q" and I was dumb enough to ring his doorbell while the note was on the door " don't knock , I am napping.!" He was nice considering I could not read and we had a great talk while he showed me his (and now your) iconic bus complete with triple sink. I consider myself very priveliged to both meet him and be "scolded" by him on WOG when my temper got the best of me.:D:D I look at his most photographed bis pictures weekly to access info on little issues our Wanderlodge likes to throw at me.
I look forward to your adventures in the future and will continue to watch the flowers grow in our SP, the Corvair..I mean Corvette of Wanderlodges!:D:(::D

Randy Dupree 08-01-2019 07:43 PM

the racor gauge is unhooked because the system is now pressurized with an electric fuel pump.
The racor gauge works on vacuum,if you hook it back up you may flood the place with fuel.


I installed the genny and never hooked up any gauges,John was going to do that himself and i guess it never happened.
It does have a system shut down (it works,you tested it).

Revision 08-01-2019 07:54 PM

@Bio thank you! We're stoked for sure and are happy to be the current caretakers.


@Randy, Thanks for the info! Indeed racor gauges do run on vacuum...Why run the fuel pump pre-racor as opposed to post? Generator running like a charm, you did very nice work. Gauges are an easy fix, and can attest! Shutdown does indeed work flawlessly! :D

Gatorgrl 08-01-2019 08:05 PM

Dash a/c is a luxury many of us no longer have in these old birds. We have a plan to try and work around this, but nothing has been done about it yet. it's too far down on "the List".

Revision 08-01-2019 08:14 PM

Good deal, Dana. I may pick your brain down the line regarding your plan. For now, we're cruising with the windows down and the tunes up!

Randy Dupree 08-01-2019 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Revision (Post 459579)
@Bio thank you! We're stoked for sure and are happy to be the current caretakers.


@Randy, Thanks for the info! Indeed racor gauges do run on vacuum...Why run the fuel pump pre-racor as opposed to post? Generator running like a charm, you did very nice work. Gauges are an easy fix, and can attest! Shutdown does indeed work flawlessly! :D

running the pump pre racor you can prime your filters with ease.

Revision 08-01-2019 08:27 PM

I can also attest to that as well! It has been the simplest system I've dealt with, and the easy access helps! Normally I'm wedged in a bilge upside down practicing what I like to call "boat yoga."

Randy Dupree 08-01-2019 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Revision (Post 459585)
I can also attest to that as well! It has been the simplest system I've dealt with, and the easy access helps! Normally I'm wedged in a bilge upside down practicing what I like to call "boat yoga."

I did that work as well.
Thanks.

Revision 08-01-2019 08:38 PM

You do nice work. I'll have to dream up a project so I can come check out that sweet warehouse I'm always drooling over.

Randy Dupree 08-01-2019 08:43 PM

We are not taking in any outside work these days,but you can get a tour of the warehouse.

Turbokitty 08-02-2019 12:08 AM

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We are not taking in any outside work these days,but you can get a tour of the warehouse.

Ya mean you are doing all the "outside" work inside now, har!

markusfmeyer 08-02-2019 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Revision (Post 459583)
Good deal, Dana. I may pick your brain down the line regarding your plan. For now, we're cruising with the windows down and the tunes up!

Why not run the generator as roof airs? That dash air even if working wouldn't cool the whole coach.

Revision 08-02-2019 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by markusfmeyer (Post 459605)
Why not run the generator as roof airs? That dash air even if working wouldn't cool the whole coach.

Not interested in the increased fuel consumption and increased wear/tear on genset for something so minor as A/C. If we find ourselves in a situation that is unbearable in the future though, we will do exactly that.

Dash A/C is lopro for us, just something I noted to look in to. For the time being, opening all the windows airs out the entire coach quite well and gets a good breeze going.

B.Nyhof 08-02-2019 09:59 AM

It would be better for your generator to run more often than not. It seems that generators that sit have more issues than ones that are run more. Ours is running 80-90% of the time rolling down the road. I always figures about a gallon an hour of fuel. Not much in the whole scheme of things. Just my opinion.

Revision 08-02-2019 10:05 AM

On the boats we run an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening for charge cycle. It'll be a balancing act as we intend to add solar and increase boondocking ability, but she'll get exercised regardless. Thanks for the input.

Dennis 08-02-2019 06:57 PM

I met John when he came to Malibu a few years back and really liked him and his coach. He spent the night parked next to my coach before going up the coast to a military campground. We are/were both AF vets and he lived in the same town in S.C. that my niece does. Small world. He was a great guy and I really liked his coach. There's just something about a BB regardless of the year that gives me the chills in a positive way. As a pilot the older BB's have an aircraft cockpit feel including altimeter. I wish you lots of good travels in that bird and my sense is John's soul is happy you will be making it your own.

CaptPegLeg 08-02-2019 08:46 PM

It’s recommended to run the generator at least an hour a month at full load to keep it dry. The fuel it burns really is inconsequential.

nbedinger 08-03-2019 07:01 PM

I read the oil change interval for my 3-cyl Kubota in the Onan manual. 40 hrs is what I recall it said (and the shock/denial still hasn't worn off). Weekly oil changes?? Solar panels on the roof sure takes a load off my mind and my Onan. Even if 40 is a typo. :confused:

Revision 08-03-2019 11:15 PM

@Dennis, you're not kidding about the world being small. I was looking for an AirBNB near hopkins and it turns out I have an uncle about 30 mins from John's that I haven't seen in 12 years after he moved west...apparently he moved east again at some point, and he let me crash and drove me around in exchange for helping him build a deck. It was awesome! Thanks for the luck, I hope John is enjoying the ride.


PegLeg Ty, we'll exercise more than that, although unclear on what the maximum load we're currently capable of inducing is. I have some space heaters I can use to load it up if necessary, thanks. Also, we'll be in Hatteras in Sept...not sure if we'll be in the bus or just traveling by car. We're both mariners as well.


Ned - Thanks for the info. Was digging around in the spares and found the replacement for the oil pressure switch that is leaking, so hoping to knock out the genset oil change tomorrow. For sure looking for expandable solar, but we'll need to fabricate brackets and juggle some stuff around on the roof. The satellite dome and tv antenna are extraneous and will free up some space, but that's all TBD. Thanks for the thoughts!


- r

Bill Pape 08-04-2019 03:40 PM

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Don't remember the day or year, but Finn's Inn was well maintained.
Good , fun, important stuff was getting done up front.

Revision 08-04-2019 06:35 PM

I've already taken advantage of the swing away radiator! A very cool modification indeed. There was some time before the Finns could get back to SC, so we filled it by reading through the whole pbase site as well as the many relevant threads that John had posted over the years...it made things easier when it came time to pick it up, and I always try to consult him (his posts/site) first when I'm trying to figure something out. It's going great so far.


Feel free to fill the thread with comments/pics/stories of John and the bus. I enjoy reading it all.


Fair winds,


- r

Bill Pape 08-04-2019 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Revision (Post 459909)
I've already taken advantage of the swing away radiator! A very cool modification indeed. There was some time before the Finns could get back to SC, so we filled it by reading through the whole pbase site as well as the many relevant threads that John had posted over the years...it made things easier when it came time to pick it up, and I always try to consult him (his posts/site) first when I'm trying to figure something out. It's going great so far.


Feel free to fill the thread with comments/pics/stories of John and the bus. I enjoy reading it all. ;):)


Fair winds,

There are many many Finn & Finn's Inn stories,
Most are very laughable, even those not so funny at the time, are now history and are really funny now.
Just start reading John's 11506 posts

Randy Dupree 08-05-2019 12:43 PM

The Bud coach was for sale on ebay,and i was going to buy it as a flipper coach.
John posted on the old yahoo forum he would like to have it and i told him i had planned on buying it,but if he wanted it i would stand down.
Thats not the first time i have done that!


John bought it and if he had not bought it,the WOG would have never come to pass.
John needed a dinette table and i had one and i was going to an auction in SC somewhere,John came over and met me and i delivered the table to him there.


He was still working in his flag car business (escort service for trucks!) and he was living in a converted bus,it was an old international gas pusher,i don't know if it was a schoolie or a Gov bus or what,i never did see it.
He was working on the Bird and living in the converted bus and working on the road for days at a time.
His health was pretty good and he was getting stuff done.


He was wanting to retire and he had some heart issues and with a stint or two he was back to normal,but i think that was a deciding factor for him retiring.
One retired he was on the road and living in the bird and spent many weeks at my place,working on the bird.
Swing rad
and all kinds of other stuff,he was good at taking pics and his pbase site show cases the work we did that he did to record it.

cemjam 08-05-2019 01:03 PM

Finn sure did save my behind with the post of the Rad flush. I followed that post as I needed to do the same. He took it like a champ. Not sure I would be able to do the same. Great guy and missed.

Turbokitty 08-05-2019 01:40 PM

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It’s recommended to run the generator at least an hour a month at full load to keep it dry. The fuel it burns really is inconsequential.

Yes, back in my flying days (Cessna P206) we heard of more people trashing an engine by running too lean in order to save a few gallons of fuel. The ol saying was "fuel is cheap" and it really was, all things considered:)

Revision 08-05-2019 08:57 PM

So we went through the entire bus this weekend, pulled all the spares and parts out, cleaned all the cubbies/basements/stormor, and put everything into a searchable spreadsheet, which makes it nice. Also on the spreadsheet is the fluid inventory as well as a filter/capacity cheatsheet for when I need to do things, I can consult and see how many gallons of what and what filter without having to crawl under and check.


I have been told that pics or it didn't happen, so here is the DEH-80PRS in place of the kenwood, and I removed the graphic eq as well. The dangly switch is for the flag lights on the roof, and I will be building an entire new panel to cover the hole once I determine what, if anything else, will be above my head.

https://i.ibb.co/VwybSxx/20190804-120331.jpg


The screen door was missing screen up top and torn on the bottom, so the Mrs' took it apart, rescreened where possible, patched on the curvy piece, and reinstalled.



https://i.ibb.co/vv3fDBh/20190804-195148.jpg


Lastly, the generator woes are still going. I have an oil leak at the safety switch as well as a fuel leak at the line discharge from the pump. I went after the oil leak first, as I wanted to change the oil as well. The issue is with the powertech specified Nason SM-19a-10r switch, which is normally open, single pole single throw 9 psi shutdown. I had a slow leak from the base where the switch screws into the brass, and it looks like some of the RTV was coming out. Luckily I found a replacement when doing the inventory, and got super excited to swap it out. Unfortunately, the brand new one immediately started seeping from the set screw hole as pictured.


https://i.ibb.co/bJCvhfH/20190804-145452.jpg



I took the old one apart because I like to see how things work and then fix them, and this is a wholly flawed design in my opinion. Basically, the black part (painted silver on the one in my hand) is the switch itself, and it's plastic. It is threaded down into the brass coupler that drops it to 1/8 npt for screwing into the block. Because it's plastic, when you tighten the set screw, it puts force on the side which pushes the threads apart and allows for oil to seep up to the set screw hole. Additionally, you have to rely on RTV as shown in the picture. If you thread the plastic all the way to the bottom, the brass couple actuates the switch and it no longer functions. All of this fun can be had for the low, low price of $75 special order, as I can't find any place at all that sells these things off the shelf. Enough of that trouble meant that it had to go, so I started looking for an alternative, off the shelf replacement that was better designed.



After many much digging, calls to Airline (Nason distributor) and calls to wells, I came up with the Wells/Duralast PS114, which is normally open, SPST, cuts off at 8 psi, and retails for $9.79 at Autozone. You can source this by telling them you want a duralast ps114, vehicle application is an '83 K5 Blazer.



Unfortunately, the local autozone didn't have this in stock, and neither did napa, oreilly or advance, so I went instead with a Wells/Duralast PS122. This is a 3 prong, DPST switch wherein terminal 2 is normally closed to ground and opens at pressure, and terminals 1&3 are normally open and close at pressure. As a replacement for the Nason, you would just use 1 & 3, and pressure is 12 psi. Using those terminals would shut down the engine in a low pressure situation. Terminal 2 is normally closed to ground at rest, and opens at 7 psi. You could use this on the negative leg of a dummy light if you wanted, but I just went with it because it is what they had in stock. As an added advantage, it was only $5.95 and is a much sturdier switch (than the Nason, both Wells switches are comparable) that I can replace anywhere on the road. It does necessitate the switch from ring to spade terminals, but I can whip that up tomorrow. Vehicle application is an '85 AMC Eagle.



I'll post pics in the future...it was getting dark as I was testing function via DMM/jumper wires, so I have to finish the job and then see about that fuel leak.

CrashTestDummy 08-13-2019 02:20 PM

Nice work on finding an updated and more-robust part for the switch. Funny that the Chevy Truck part was not on the shelves, yet the AMC car part was!

Revision 08-14-2019 05:35 PM

Thanks! There was another 3 prong on the shelf too...from a Vega! I went with the AMC because of the lower profile. I think the 3's are more popular because they provide both the light and the shutoff, which is necessary when racing. When I crossed the vega p/n, everything that came up was $30 safety switches from summit and the likes identical to the vega part.



Work on the bus has been slow as I finish out my last commitments at work. I have been trying to DX every night...getting solid reception but no luck reaching out. I think the start battery is still in a bad condition from being left dead for months, and I'm not sure if I should try and refurbish it somehow, or just replace with a new 4D. I did pick up some tinned marine 12/3 to run straight to the battery for radio supply/neg/ground, but will try tonight via a Pyramid Gold Regulated PSU to see if that helps at all.



Anybody have any thoughts on reconditioning a battery vs replacing it?



- r

brhodes 08-14-2019 05:41 PM

If the battery has been dead as long as you indicate, save yourself the heartache and frustration and just replace it.

Randy Dupree 08-14-2019 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by brhodes (Post 461003)
If the battery has been dead as long as you indicate, save yourself the heartache and frustration and just replace it.

Barry is correct.
Now,about that oil pressure switch,have you screwed it into the engine yet?
I have a Nissan forklift that had a leaking oil sender,i got one for a chevy (looked the same) and even though the threads looked right,it would not screw into the engine.
I found one for a honda that did screw in.
something about metric pipe threads...

Revision 08-14-2019 06:34 PM

Thank you both for the battery input.


RE:sender, yes it's in. The generator has a 45 degree adapter in it because the old sender would have hit the starter...perhaps the threads are different between the chevy and AMC sender, but I made sure to find one that matched the threads as indicated by Nason specifications and threaded it in by hand until such time as the thread sealant induced friction. It's definitely the right thread for my application, YMMV.

CrashTestDummy 08-14-2019 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Revision (Post 461000)
Thanks! There was another 3 prong on the shelf too...from a Vega! I went with the AMC because of the lower profile. I think the 3's are more popular because they provide both the light and the shutoff, which is necessary when racing. When I crossed the vega p/n, everything that came up was $30 safety switches from summit and the likes identical to the vega part.



Work on the bus has been slow as I finish out my last commitments at work. I have been trying to DX every night...getting solid reception but no luck reaching out. I think the start battery is still in a bad condition from being left dead for months, and I'm not sure if I should try and refurbish it somehow, or just replace with a new 4D. I did pick up some tinned marine 12/3 to run straight to the battery for radio supply/neg/ground, but will try tonight via a Pyramid Gold Regulated PSU to see if that helps at all.



Anybody have any thoughts on reconditioning a battery vs replacing it?



- r

The oil pressure switch on our 92 Ex-DPS Camaro RS runs both the gauge and has a safety switch to power the fuel pump. Not sure it's price, but it may be an option when everyone runs out of Vega switches. :-)

Yes, replace the thing! Replace it with an AGM battery. There is NO place in the world for a liquid acid battery in a moving vehicle today with so many alternatives.


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