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Bill, here's two links to Onan DKD generators for sale...

Colaw RV salvage has a 8KW DKD for sale.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Onan-8-0-Gen...r#ht_139wt_876

On CL, 2 Onan DKD generators for sale...make offer

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/for/3777720929.html
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I am going to save it , it is repairable, will post details later in another, "Generator repair thread"

Hours are not the issue, it is parking next to Finn too often,
So, we are going to name our Bird "Finn's Fault"

I think everyone with an 8.0K or 10K or smaller type generator, that BB installed need to check the protection circuit breakers. The conditions were 90 degree ambient temp, air conditioners running, battery chargers, Hot water heater, maybe a coffee pot & more, getting ready for Pot luck at Flywheelers, I really do not know how much power we were demanding.
But we really had a great time & the food was great.
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A burden that we share, Rick

And yes, that last picture should be named "ugly". (or costly)

Is all of this the fault of a bad bearing ?
Not the bearing it was still good, a bit dried-up, And I did replace it
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Bearings being a little on the dry side seems to be what most people find if they replace one on a Powertech prior to failure. I know that was the case with mine. Glad I got it replaced earlier this spring.
At the Ohio Mile I was "smart enough" to have McGinnis between myself and the Finn-Meister until Sat. night, then I made sure there was plenty of distance..... and I left early Sunday morning.
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At the Ohio Mile I was "smart enough" to have McGinnis between myself and the Finn-Meister until Sat. night, then I made sure there was plenty of distance..... and I left early Sunday morning.
Parking next to Finn is a benefit, since he has the Power Tech with a Buddy Plug.
So we had power for the rest of the week-end,
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I am going to save it , it is repairable, will post details later in another, "Generator repair thread"

Hours are not the issue, it is parking next to Finn too often,
So, we are going to name our Bird "Finn's Fault"

I think everyone with an 8.0K or 10K or smaller type generator, that BB installed need to check the protection circuit breakers. The conditions were 90 degree ambient temp, air conditioners running, battery chargers, Hot water heater, maybe a coffee pot & more, getting ready for Pot luck at Flywheelers, I really do not know how much power we were demanding.
But we really had a great time & the food was great.
Bill,

So what exactly killed your genny? Are you saying that you overloaded it??
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Bill,

So what exactly killed your genny? Are you saying that you overloaded it??
Robert,

No not exactly, but a Wanderlodge is capable of overloading a generator.

The original Circuit breaker installed for the 8.0K Onan was a 50 amp breaker.
The gennie is rated at 35 amps max. Safer yet would be a 30 amp breaker.

Not sure exactly what killed the gennie head , overload, diodes do fail or was just time to die and be repaired..
Further explanations later, just thought I would post this info now to head of future trouble for others..

Most important!! We are finally making regulated power
Gotta get this bird finished and out of our driveway
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Bill,
I stopped at THE generator expert near Charlotte today. Showed him the pic and he immediately identified it then went to his shelf and had both l and r pieces. His name is Phil blanks, gm in fort mill, sc ( at state line) w is 803-802-7260 - - cell is 704-451-0230
He can get related parts as well.
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Robert,

No not exactly, but a Wanderlodge is capable of overloading a generator.

The original Circuit breaker installed for the 8.0K Onan was a 50 amp breaker.
The gennie is rated at 35 amps max. Safer yet would be a 30 amp breaker.

Not sure exactly what killed the gennie head , overload, diodes do fail or was just time to die and be repaired..
Further explanations later, just thought I would post this info now to head of future trouble for others..

Most important!! We are finally making regulated power
Gotta get this bird finished and out of our driveway
Sorry to hear about this unexpected 'project'. Glad you're almost to the finish line though!

I agree that it's technically possible for a Bird to overload the genny, but I don't think it would be easy in real world use. I think it's a lot more likely to put undue stress on the genny by having an unbalanced load across the 2 legs. I'd be curious to know if that was a factor in your genny failure.
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I think everyone with an 8.0K or 10K or smaller type generator, that BB installed need to check the protection circuit breakers.
I keep running into these reminders that I'm supposed to have breakers directly on the genset output. After reading your thread here, I was reading back in the archive, and it is like deja vu:

Onan/Blue-Bird circuit breakers weren't installed

My SP36/DKD is "protected" by the 50A mains in the main load center via the transfer switch. I've been puzzled by how to implement protection for the generator--Onan says do it, Blue Bird didn't do it, and so far I haven't done it either. Puzzlement turning to disgust, seeing what this setup can lead to.

I have to ask how exactly to follow Onan's spec for circuit protection. Hope this budding repair thread isn't the wrong time and place to ask, it is the only discussion I've seen that makes the point unavoidable.

I get that the cause of your DKD breakdown isn't certain yet, whether normal wear or due to overload, and I do get that it raises the Onan protection circuit issue again. It is clear now that the 50A mains can't be the DKD protection breakers--the DKD needs breakers sized for 8.5Kw minus fan load, in the gen output circuit.

Is an outdoor breaker box on the generator tray, wired upstream of the fan, what Onan had in mind? That sounds like a big deal to retrofit

They stated the requirement without offering much in the way of a design for implementing it. I imagine it takes an experienced auto/electric guy to read the subtext and know how toi do it.

Does anyone have a design?

Bill, let me just say thanks for riding herd on this issue over the years, I think I'm finally getting it. Sorry for my apparent opportunism in taking advantage of your trouble, but it is as close to the perfect wave as this issue is ever going get. I'm paddling like a spanking machine just to catch it

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