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Old 08-23-2019
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There's an RV dealer here in town with some familiarity, but I just wanted a few installed height dimensions on aired-up coaches. Bob's LX was up in the air for bags yesterday.
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I have a hydra lift for my FC. I'm looking for pictures (I know I have them somewhere) but can only find this one of it folded up.

I paid $1,000 to have the receivers for the hydra lift welded on by a local welder. He also made modifications so the center receiver doesn't interfere so I can switch back and forth between using the hydra lift or my Blue Ox towing setup. When the hydra lift is on I can tow using the blue ox as the hydra lift has a center receiver also.

I don't use the hydra lift much. It weighs about 500lbs. My motorcycle weighs 600lbs. With 1100lbs hanging off the rear of the FC, when I go over a bump, IT REALLY GETS THE BUS BOBBING. I've had cars following me back off when things get bouncing up and down.

I would be interested in hearing from other FC owners who carry motorcycles on a lift.

I'm considering selling mine. It is in Vermont, and is not an easy thing to ship, but I can attach it to the Wanderlodge and move it that way.

These probably work fine on a bigger RV.
Shoot Craig, 1100lbs hanging off the rear? That's nothing.

My Goldwing is over 900lbs and my lift is 300+lbs. Not sure how heavy it is but I can't even lift one side. I also had to extend the lift to clear my rear ladder. The lift is home made and has worked flawlessly for many years now. It's even survived a California concrete sea-wall, but that's another story.
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Mike,

It is encouraging that you are successful with your goldwing on the rear bumper.

I think you have leaf springs? I had thought that my air suspension would level out the FC with the additional weight on the back (it did), but I wonder if that is some of the cause of the excitement when I go over a bump?

Maybe you are just braver than I am. I'm cautions about anything that feels like it is stressing Bella. At her age I don't like asking for trouble. Probably I should just put the motorcycle on the back and go for a trip and get used to it.

Thanks for the input!
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Been thinking of a hydralift has anybody had one installed on a BMC
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Mike,

It is encouraging that you are successful with your goldwing on the rear bumper.

I think you have leaf springs? I had thought that my air suspension would level out the FC with the additional weight on the back (it did), but I wonder if that is some of the cause of the excitement when I go over a bump?

Maybe you are just braver than I am. I'm cautions about anything that feels like it is stressing Bella. At her age I don't like asking for trouble. Probably I should just put the motorcycle on the back and go for a trip and get used to it.

Thanks for the input!
Have fun, you only live once! I know that's a lot of weight and it's got some good momentum out there too, but remember, these are buses! If you put 4-5 people in the bedroom you'd almost have the same weight (leverage ignored) so that makes it more tolerable.
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As to a BMC Hydro-Lift, comparing the frames on it or the M380 to an FC is apples & oranges...

Both the BMC & M380 have engine cradles, not solid straight-through frame rails. They can support allot of weight with the right configuration. However, an engine cradle setup will need some hefty reinforcing. When I was modifying my M380’s LP bottle location to create a new bay for 900# of batteries beside the transmission, I added two stacked ‘C’ channels the same size as the original cradle below the existing one. The “ledge” formed by the lower channel is incredibly strong & it supports most of the weight of those six L-16 sized lead-acids (143# each). Diagonal braces further support the outer edge of the bay’s 3/8” plate steel floor and a steel L floor joist was added under that floor to prevent sagging. Sticking 1,200# out behind the bumper further complicates the engineering because of the moment/arm. That moment will magnify any bouncing effect. Bridges, buildings, airplane wings and motorhomes fail when that bouncing resonates too long. So, it’s not simply the dead weight (or people in the bedroom ). Bottom line? Adding a Hydra-Lift to an M380 (or BMC) won’t be a simple job and I understand why Cliff’s Wellding basically refused to do it for me years ago. However, I look forward to seeing the pictures when Chip makes it happen

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Talk about some serious bouncing!
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When I was modifying my M380’s LP bottle location to create a new bay for 900# of batteries beside the transmission, I added two stacked ‘C’ channels the same size as the original cradle below the existing one. The “ledge” formed by the lower channel is incredibly strong & it supports most of the weight of those six L-16 sized lead-acids (143# each). Diagonal braces further support the outer edge of the bay’s 3/8” plate steel floor and a steel L floor joist was added under that floor to prevent sagging. .... However, I look forward to seeing the pictures when Chip makes it happen
Can you take some photos of these added reinforcements?
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I wonder if any of the original 380 owners have info on why the diagonal frame braces were added later on?
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I was going to mention those added diagonal supports, because not all M380s had that recall done. Chip's has it, but the blue and silver one for example does not.
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