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Old 12-08-2019
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Default 84 PT40 Front Axle Wheel End Parts

So pulled the front hubs and brakes. I had a leaking inner hub seal on the road side and the outer hub cap was leaking on the curb side. The brakes need to be replaced for wear and the road side is soaked with oil. I will get some picture of the brake drum today with the part number. There were two different hub seals from one side to the other. I will get a picture of the other seal today and upload it.

Here is a video of me removing the hubs:
https://youtu.be/bpO73ZUiQOE

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Part Numbers:

Front Brake Shoe
Rockwell #3222-0-1291

Inner Hub Bearing
Timken #HM212049

Outer Hub Bearing
Timken #3782

Inner Hub Seal
Stemco #2036
National #370001 BG

Wheel Hub
Rockwell #333-D-2396

Brake Drum
Rockwell #3H22 WF
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The seal looks fairly new,was it damaged during the install?
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Thanks for starting this thread Jeff!! It's very helpful for the new owners who have not gone down the rabbit hole yet.

Here are a bunch of still shots from the same project when I did it a few years back. I found the Scotseal XL seals to be alot easier to install and less prone to leaks. When I did this job- I used the original seal design and an oversized bearing race from a scrap pile to gently seat the seal.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/dpVyohLzEMcnv5Y28
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The seal looks fairly new,was it damaged during the install?
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Thanks for starting this thread Jeff!! It's very helpful for the new owners who have not gone down the rabbit hole yet.

Here are a bunch of still shots from the same project when I did it a few years back. I found the Scotseal XL seals to be alot easier to install and less prone to leaks. When I did this job- I used the original seal design and an oversized bearing race from a scrap pile to gently seat the seal.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/dpVyohLzEMcnv5Y28
Randy.. a couple things I noticed on the side with the new stemco seal... The seal looked in good condition, but I just looked closer and the spindle has a seal saver on it... so not sure what happened to cause them to put a seal saver on the spindle. Also the outer nut washer was not folded over properly to hold the outer nut... so the work on that side is suspect..

Shane... thanks for your photos.. looks like you have a different wheel hub... yours is a webb... mine is rockwell.. not sure if they are the same seal or not.. I am going to have my parts guy look at everything and he knows this stuff really good and should be able to figure out a path forward for me. I will post further part numbers...
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Jeff/Shane
I want to add to this thread a little something you guys know,but the newbies here may not know.
Most of the seals used on the big rig stuff "rotates'',the seal turns inside itself,and if you just "hammer" the seal in and you bend the outside just a little,it may spin on the axle/spindle or in the hub.
Both will result in a leaking seal.


Also,as Jeff mentioned above,his spindle had a wear sleeve on it.
The wear sleeve type seal requires a different seal than one without the sleeve.
Back in the day lots of trucks came with the sleeve from new,as prevention,to prevent the wear on the spindle.


So,if your doing a seal install at home,make sure theres no sleeve on the spindle,or make sure you buy the seal that requires a sleeve.

Like Shane i always used a home made tool as a seal driver,i have a collection of stuff that i used through the years.
But the last time i bought some seals (last year) the parts place i buy seals from gave me a seal driver,i think the seal companys are giving drivers out to good customers that do big rig axle work.

If you replace a seal,don't just hammer it in,use a seal driver,rent,borrow or steal one!
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Thanks for the words of wisdom Randy and Shane. My parts guy also recommends the scot seals, he says the do not ride on the spindle they are two pieces that spin in each other. This way you do not have to worry about the surface of the spindle, but like Randy mentioned you have to use a seal install tool to not mess it up installing it.
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So here are the new parts numbers for what I replaced on the front wheel hubs:
Hub Seal- SKF Scotseal XL 35058
Hub Cap- Stemco 4024
Inner Hub Bearing- Stemco Set 413 012501001
Outer Hub Bearing- Stemco Set 406 012501005
Brake Kit- Meritor Kit 8081
Brake Shoes- Haldex GG4524QMR


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And here is my video of the install:
https://youtu.be/r4E_3O7bByQ
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Thanks Jeff!

Great job on the video, the pictures and on documenting the parts!
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Thanks Jeff!

Great job on the video, the pictures and on documenting the parts!
Thanks, hope it helps others...

FYI I was going to replace the drums just as a preventive measure, but they were not available locally in the time frame I needed them. My drums had light cracking and were not in bad shape, I can always put drums on easily at another time. I may check into them when I go to the rear brakes as they are next on the list to get done.
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