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Old 12-19-2009
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Default Hi all / 8.3 3060 & Allison transplant

I'm going to work on my '66 Wanderlodge. It is a pretty good old coach. Ran good when I parked it in the yard nine years ago. Time flies. Retired now and have decided to refurb the motorhome. Before I parked it and got sidetracked I had pretty much decided on replacing the 391 with a 3116 cat. This is still the plan. The 391 ran good, but is really really obsolete now, as is the MT40 6spd Allison behind it. Any respectable breakdown would leave it stranded, long term. Better to buy a used GMC Top Kick with a 3116 and a 4spd auto and transplant the drive train and instrumentation, I think. So that's pretty much what I'll be investigating and posting about on here. Anyone with experience swapping a 3116 into a FC Wanderlodge, please chime in or pm me. I notice that most go with a 3208, but that thing is just plain huge and I can't see it as any better than the 3116. Thoughts? I'm a trucker, good mechanic, got all the tools, but would like input from others. I'm old enough to realize that a project like this can be a lot easier with advice from someone who's done it, if anyone has. Lots of GMC Top Kicks and Bluebird School Buses with 3116's pretty cheap.
I lived in the Wanderlodge full time for 6 years and ran it quite a few miles on long vacations. I repainted it and replaced all the plumbing and the water heater, put a Duo therm Penguin on the roof and modified the electrical system so that I can plug into shore power about anywhere.
I see I'm getting a little long winded here, so pm me or look for me on the forum where I'll be checking in regularly if this proves to be a friendly informative place to be.
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Think Cummins and 3060 Allison. There are those who say the 3116/3126 are all good, but more say they aren't. If you don't have air brakes, there's another thing to consider.
Juice brakes ain't gonna cut it. Missed out on 96 Louisville with 8.3, 3060 day cab short tractor a month ago. That's what you need to look for.
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8.3 and allisons last--cats dont........IMO ck out our thread on changin mine out

we hate them in the army

better make a sign in before the "bulldog" gets on line~~
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Default 3116/Allison transplant

Planning on replacing the 391/MT40 6spd with a 3116/4spd Allison in my 1966 Wanderlodge. Any constructive input would be appreciated. I notice that most use a 3208 when upgrading, but that thing is huge and the 3116 seems like an easier swap. I'm looking at a used GMC Top Kick tandem axle truck with 20" wheels and hydraulic brakes rated at 33,000# hauling capacity (my Wanderlodge weighs 21,300 +/- if I remember right). Good runner and the price is right. The dash and instrumentation in my coach resembles that of a '62 Econoline Van. Pretty primitive, so I'm thinking of taking the engine, trans. instrumentaion, brake system and rear drive axle all out of the truck and transplanting them. Hopefully the radiator will also adapt. Any thoughts??
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go here mr ray we are posting to your other post
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Thanks. I've been a trucker a long long time and have a Peterbilt with a 3406B Caterpillar with almost a million miles on it and it is a very strong runner. Before that I ran a KW also with a 3406B, ran it 600,000 miles and it never missed a lick. So, I'm pretty much biased toward Caterpillars, but also realize that a name brand is just that and that while the old mechanical 3406's are a really good engine, the 3116 mechanical may not be. Apart from brand loyalty, I'd like some hard info on the good, bad and ugly of the 3116 Cat, since it seems like it would be such a good fit. See my post in the "Engines" portion of the mechanics section for more details of my plan. Thanks again.
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gotcha

we been having to use them 3100 series of engine since 1994 and they are a hateful not dependable POS that has a cat name on it..If we didnt know better we would have thought that they were made by LUCAS.......Im a old trucker too and the little v/8 and the 3116/3126 engines are not transplanted --they are took out!
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The 3116 and the 3126 cat engines are most likely the biggest piece of **** engine that Cat has ever built.
I had a new truck that came with a 3126,2 engines in less than 30,000 miles and Cat dropped the warrenty,we put a cummins in the truck and it was awesome.
Take the advice of Woody and Mike,get a 8.3 cummins and a 3060 allison,buy a truck or a school bus and get everything you need.
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If your a cat trucker,just go down to the cat house and look at what they are working on,then call the local school bus shop and ask them about the 3116/3126 and ask what they think.
The cat house here in Ocala Fl has 3-4 of them in the shop,everyday..
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we want pictures too i will send you a link of what we did!

its your bus if you want a cat get it dun..we love all bb

and i like seeing work done!
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