Wanderlodge Owners Group  
BuyByeBlueBird.com
Donate

Go Back   Wanderlodge Owners Group > Mechanic's Corner > PT & WB (Twin Axle Pusher Unique Issues)

PT & WB (Twin Axle Pusher Unique Issues) If you have a unique issue with your PT or WB model coach and it can't be answered in one of the other forums here, then this is where you can list it....list your PT Parts here too.

Site Search:
Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #31  
Old 08-17-2019
MarkYuma's Avatar
MarkYuma MarkYuma is offline
Not so Junior anymore
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Yuma
Posts: 1,398
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GregOC View Post
10% of the time a blown fuse is the problem . 90% of the time it is just the result of another problem.....

this seal holds oil seeping, not oil pressure. (think about it if the pump gets 3,000 psi do you think that hammer placed seal would hold if it was engineered to contain that pressure?) for a seal to blow, like in your image the motor is muffed or the fluid can not exhaust the devise. and is forced out of the motors other openings. the new seal will pop again 90% sure unless you find the issue.
replacing a part that continues to fail is not a repair, it is an exercise.
I understand. The man at the hydraulic shop said that these motors should last 100 years considering what they’re doing.
Just trying to wrap up this part of the issue.
__________________
Mark & Ginger Lauss
Yuma Arizona
1991 PT 40
Towed 1986 Suzuki Samurai OR 2014 Jeep jk
Location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user1.cfm?user=259
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 08-17-2019
GregOC GregOC is offline
.
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: R
Posts: 437
Default

fix it soon or you will be late for retirement.
__________________
Greg
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 08-17-2019
irmagoo's Avatar
irmagoo irmagoo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: washington
Posts: 2,594
Default

hi mark
hope all goes well from now on .. not a big part but its one of thoses that can sideline you for sure..
hope to see ya this coming winter
mike
__________________
mike mcgraugh
2003 LXI
"Blacktop Gyspy"
even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile
washington Il.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 08-17-2019
Randy Dupree's Avatar
Randy Dupree Randy Dupree is offline
Forum owner
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Port St Joe,Fl
Posts: 36,274
Default

I mentioned a few days ago that with slow to get parts maybe the PT and early WB guys should pool there money and put one of the fan motors in stock,the WB/LXI/LX guys did that with a PTO and pump.
Someone will need to have it on hand and ready to ship to anyone thats broken down.
Not just to someone doing preventative maintenance.


The PTO is normally kept in my coach,so if i'm on the road i can stop and ship it,or if i'm home i can ship it.
I have shipped it from the road twice.
On the shipping you don't have to find a ups store or post office,i stopped at a NAPA store once and told them my problem,they let me ship it for their cost and the UPS guy picked it up right at their store.


Just a suggestion.
10 guys putting in 50 bucks may do it.
__________________
DO NOT SEND PM
email me at randy@randydupree.com only.

Randy Dupree
2000 LXI 43
Bainbridge,Ga.
Port St Joe Fl.
www.buybyebluebird.com

randy@randydupree.com
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 08-17-2019
Rick's Avatar
Rick Rick is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Bellefonte
Posts: 13,226
Default

Hope we never need this on the road but it nice to know it’s there.
__________________
Rick Shawver
1SG Ret
2000 LX
Vise Grips
Bellefonte, AR
F127656
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 08-18-2019
MarkYuma's Avatar
MarkYuma MarkYuma is offline
Not so Junior anymore
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Yuma
Posts: 1,398
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy Dupree View Post
I mentioned a few days ago that with slow to get parts maybe the PT and early WB guys should pool there money and put one of the fan motors in stock,the WB/LXI/LX guys did that with a PTO and pump.
Someone will need to have it on hand and ready to ship to anyone thats broken down.
Not just to someone doing preventative maintenance.


The PTO is normally kept in my coach,so if i'm on the road i can stop and ship it,or if i'm home i can ship it.
I have shipped it from the road twice.
On the shipping you don't have to find a ups store or post office,i stopped at a NAPA store once and told them my problem,they let me ship it for their cost and the UPS guy picked it up right at their store.


Just a suggestion.
10 guys putting in 50 bucks may do it.
This is not a bad way to go at all.
We can wait a couple weeks and see what happens in my situation because it could in fact end up that I have a fresh factory rebuild new style motor. I will be sending back the original new one that was sent to me. I anticipate that they will find that they did not build it with a new endcap.
If this is the case they will return to me a brand new factory fresh unit.
Hopefully I won’t need this one like a hole in my head and I could either make it available for sale or just set it aside as a back up or put it A general pool somewhere has a quick ship item for someone who is down on the road.
__________________
Mark & Ginger Lauss
Yuma Arizona
1991 PT 40
Towed 1986 Suzuki Samurai OR 2014 Jeep jk
Location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user1.cfm?user=259
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 08-18-2019
badandy badandy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: delavan
Posts: 2,785
Default

I don't know who has what, but I think more than one person has a reman or new PT fan motor. I have one and I've offered it to a few people, but nobody took me up on it.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 08-18-2019
Randy Dupree's Avatar
Randy Dupree Randy Dupree is offline
Forum owner
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Port St Joe,Fl
Posts: 36,274
Default

I keep new fan motors in stock that fit the series 60 coachs and the LXs.
I keep 2 in my bus and i have shipped several of them while on the road.
I overnighted several of them,big bucks for shipping.
I keep a new one as my spare,JIC
__________________
DO NOT SEND PM
email me at randy@randydupree.com only.

Randy Dupree
2000 LXI 43
Bainbridge,Ga.
Port St Joe Fl.
www.buybyebluebird.com

randy@randydupree.com
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 08-18-2019
badandy badandy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: delavan
Posts: 2,785
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkYuma View Post
Well the biggest issue I had with the seals is the fact that the seals for a new version of the Webster motor built by Danfoss are 1 5/8 inch OD. The original Webster are 1 1/2 OD. The shaft dimensional is still 1 inch. It gets quite confusing when you’re trying to read all this and figure out what to order. The new motor have a completely different End Cap So currently in order to get a new style seal you must order a new end cap in order to get full seal which comes installed from the factory . The new seals are much harder and much less hard nylon.
You can still get the old seals to rebuild an existing 44970–30 or 44970-33 model Webster pump. I do not recall the exact part number for the steel but I have one should anyone and one. I was able to get that as part of a minor rebuild kit. Unfortunately my old motor was too far gone to be rebuilt.
Once this is all said and done we need to clean this up because I know for a fact that the old -30 motor uses a 1.625" OD seal and the newer -33 motor uses at 1.5" OD seal, both for a 1" output shaft. All of the other components are the same between the two, except for the front cover that has a larger bore for the seal. The output shaft is identical between these two motors. I would love to see some pictures of the motor you have with the built-in seal.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 08-20-2019
MarkYuma's Avatar
MarkYuma MarkYuma is offline
Not so Junior anymore
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Yuma
Posts: 1,398
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by badandy View Post
Once this is all said and done we need to clean this up because I know for a fact that the old -30 motor uses a 1.625" OD seal and the newer -33 motor uses at 1.5" OD seal, both for a 1" output shaft. All of the other components are the same between the two, except for the front cover that has a larger bore for the seal. The output shaft is identical between these two motors. I would love to see some pictures of the motor you have with the built-in seal.
Sorry... you are correct. In the heat of the battle I got theat turned around on my post. I took the last set of measurements at the hydraulic shop and with three seals in front of me and no paper I was just making sure which one was going to fit housing that I had in front of me. Once the seal was in it was the mad dash back to the shop to have the motor installed.
My memory is not renowned for its retention of details anymore.
__________________
Mark & Ginger Lauss
Yuma Arizona
1991 PT 40
Towed 1986 Suzuki Samurai OR 2014 Jeep jk
Location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user1.cfm?user=259
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Having some problems here Bluebird Bob Care and Upkeep 7 06-06-2018 08:07 AM
Fluid Analysis - Critical on Coolant? AEmedic General 13 08-17-2016 11:36 PM
M380 DATA RE:Engine Critical Defect cmillsap M380 (Unique Issues) 137 06-04-2014 08:44 PM
Problems when hot jfrold Transmission 28 05-17-2014 07:47 PM
Hydraulic fan problems (on the road) mbrund PT & WB (Twin Axle Pusher Unique Issues) 16 01-11-2010 11:29 PM

Web Search:

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.