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LX and LXI (Unique Issues) If you have a unique issue with your LX or LXI model coach and it can't be answered in one of the other forums here, then this is where you can list it, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE ISSUES INVOLVED WITH ANY LAWSUIT.....list your LX and LXI Parts here too.

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Old 05-04-2010
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I actually figured mine out. I had originally tapped into the dash fan circuit for the DRL. With the fan on and the DRL on, it eventually overloaded the circuit breaker for that circuit. I believe that the "control" power for the A/T switch was on the same circuit, so when the CB tripped I lost control power for the A/T switch, which resulted in a total DC failure. the CB would cool and then everything would come back on line.
I solved the problem by wiring in a relay and giving the DRL a separate power circuit. Worked fine after that.
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It would be a good idea to locate that big solenoid anyways though, just in case something down the road draws too much and disables it.

You can poke it with a wire from the hot stud to the trip pole and energize it to get yourself out of a bind on the side of the road (voice of experience).

My own challenge now is to figure out which wire coming from the DRL does what and get that working right again.

There is an outfit in Edmonton called Smith Electric that carries the big 100 Amp solenoids (they are very hard to find). They got me one from somewhere in Calgary overnight that I have as a spare. They had a lot of very useful things for big trucks, like big alernators for the Detroits!

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We've got a 99 LXI with factory daytime running lights (DRL's). Had exactly the same problem. Many hours tracing it - read on for the fix.

We're still in the process of getting our DRL's to work right, but here is the issue.

There are two large (100Amp) can type solenoids on our bird. They are in the master 12v fuse and relay cabinet outside the coach, drivers side, under the driver's side window. When we turn key to on, this solenoid is energized and passes current to most vehicle systems including the Engine controller, HWH jacks and that buzzer the drives you nuts when they're down, the transmission, etc. There are two switching lugs on the solenoid one goes to the key, and I suspect (but haven't yet confirmed) that the other goes to the A/T switch.

Anyways, on our coach someone (not factory) had wired a terminal on the headlight switch to the key switch on wire. This creates a lot of draw, so much that there isn't enough left to keepthe master solenoid energized. I suspect that whomever installed your DRL did the same thing.

So, I would suggest you see if you have the same canister solenoid. It is a white-rodgers model. Then look for a wire going to either your headlight switch or the DRL.

I have temporarily solved my nightmare by wiring the headlights directly to the energized (key on) side of the solenoid. For the time being, we just drive with our lights on in the daytime as that is a lot safer than having DRLs that work in the daylight, but a coach that shuts off at 60mph in the dark on the highway.

Once I locate a circuit diagram for the 48600-02 DRL module on our coach, I will be rewiring it to the key on side of the large solenoid.

You can Private email me on here if you like and I can send you pictures of what to look for. I doubt our coaches are much different being only 3 years apart.


How about posting the pictures right here on the forum, so they will be here for future reference?
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I've attached four slides showing my fuse cabinet and the offending solenoid and wiring and the solution.

I've also located a DRl 48000 schematic and attached it here as well. Believe it or not, the combination of this and the wiring schematics that came with my coach, plus all those nifty labelled wires that form that collectively complex, but well organized rats nest in the cabinet in Slide 1 helped me figure out what was going on.

The problem with the whole mess was simple: when the headlights/DRl heated up enough to draw down the power, there wasn't enough current to keep the big solenoid closed, so the coil opened, and the 100 amps of goodies downstream were left with no juice (including a circuit that tells the Detroit to stay on!). Hence we got to roll down the road in the dark with a suddenly and frightfully dead coach. I very much doubt that BlueBird ever would have wired it this way, or there would have been a bunch of accident reports by now and a recall. I suspect that somewhere in our coach's history the headlight wire got re routed and this caused the problem as it has been OK since this change.


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I've attached four slides showing my fuse cabinet and the offending solenoid and wiring and the solution.

I've also located a DRl 48000 schematic and attached it here as well. Believe it or not, the combination of this and the wiring schematics that came with my coach, plus all those nifty labelled wires that form that collectively complex, but well organized rats nest in the cabinet in Slide 1 helped me figure out what was going on.

The problem with the whole mess was simple: when the headlights/DRl heated up enough to draw down the power, there wasn't enough current to keep the big solenoid open, so the coil closed, and the 100 amps of goodies downstream were left with no juice (including a circuit that tells the Detroit to stay on!). Hence we got to roll down the road in the dark with a suddenly and frightfully dead coach. I very much doubt that BlueBird ever would have wired it this way, or there would have been a bunch of accident reports by now and a recall. I suspect that somewhere in our coach's history the headlight wire got re routed and this caused the problem as it has been OK since this change.


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Mike,

The attached pictures and explanations with great detail are a very valuable addition to this thread and I'm sure will be of great help for our members now and in the future.

Keep up the good work.
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I installed DRL's. If the lights do not have to be activated by the ignition, wire your lights through a fused relayed circuit. Install a switch in an accessory blank in the panel. Get your power from the lower load center. On mine there are three basic sections. Filtered, ignition on and constant power. Mine are in the constant power panel. If they must come on with the ignition switch then get your power from a separate terminal in that section, fuse it, relay it and run it though a switch so you can cut em off if you want.
I she not had any issues.
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We have a Bird owner with a 99LXI that had the shutting off problem,John Wyatt found this thread and used this info to get him going again.
Thanks to all that posted,and to John Wyatt for finding it again.
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We have a Bird owner with a 99LXI that had the shutting off problem,John Wyatt found this thread and used this info to get him going again.
Thanks to all that posted,and to John Wyatt for finding it again.
Hi Randy,

I can’t claim credit for finding the DRL module problem; I actually located this thread after the technician working on the coach had told the owner that the problem was the DRL Module.

The owner called me to see if a bad DRL module sounded right and I told him that according to the information in this thread, it sounded like it was at least plausible that a shorted DRL Module could have caused his problem.

The beginning of the story:

The owner was driving on the interstate and he flashed his headlights to let a trucker know that it was ok to pull back in. When he flashed the lights, the engine shut down and he lost his dash lights, gauges, etc.

It happened beside a guard rail so he was barely able to get the coach off the road. This left the electrical component panel under the driver’s window pretty much inaccessible due to traffic flying by.

The owner called John Schmieder (91 Bird owner) to see if he had any suggestions as to what to look for. I just happened to be sitting there with John and his wife Sue enjoying a cold drink under their gazebo when the call came in.

John and I both told him that it sounded like he had lost his 12 volt ignition circuit and we gave him a few pointers to try to narrow the problem down.

To make a long story short, the coach was in a dangerous place with too much risk to being hit so the owner was pretty much forced to call for a tow truck (another long story).

In order to tow the coach, the "second" tow service guy pulled the drive axles and towed the coach to a service facility where it had to wait until opening time to be looked at.

John and I offered to look through what drawings we could find to try to pinpoint the problem but the owner pointed out that even if we could figure it out, he would still be stuck waiting for the service shop to put the axles back so he left the coach there and headed on in their toad.

As stated above, he has been told that the problem is the DRL module and they have ordered one.


When I hear the rest of the story I’ll post it.
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I had this happen to me early one dark morning couple of years ago when I pulled off the road to look at the map, head lights on, engine running, may have had the fog lights on too, generator on bring the batteries up after several hours in Walmart.
Engine died and every light went out, with generator still running. After a few seconds, generator died. When it come to a complete stop, lights came back on and bus started, and never knew what caused it. I was pretty sure it was the big relay that kicked out, but never know what caused it and never had a problem since.
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