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From the looks of it, this Summer I won’t see you in Moab or Colorado for some “lite” wheeling?
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From the looks of it, this Summer I won’t see you in Moab or Colorado for some “lite” wheeling?
If it's done I'll be there. It's going to be close, though. I have to get it done. This winter though, I'll be gone many months! MUCH wheeling!
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I haven't had as much time as I should have so far this weekend, but I've got it stripped down far enough the only thing in the way now is the turbo. Like Randy said, if I remove it I can lift up the engine far enough for its bellhousing mount brackets to clear the frame brackets. Otherwise I'd have to unbolt them from the bellhousing and that looks like there isn't enough room to even do it. So tomorrow am I'll get the turbo out and see if I can't wiggle it out.
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I haven't had as much time as I should have so far this weekend, but I've got it stripped down far enough the only thing in the way now is the turbo. Like Randy said, if I remove it I can lift up the engine far enough for its bellhousing mount brackets to clear the frame brackets. Otherwise I'd have to unbolt them from the bellhousing and that looks like there isn't enough room to even do it. So tomorrow am I'll get the turbo out and see if I can't wiggle it out.
I like that. Wiggle it out. Hope it goes smoothly.
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Be great if it will slip out without much effort. This is where MCI and others bus builders have a bird beat, the engine is on a cradle that is designed to be slid out the back on rails, but they were designed to have engines replaced in 1 day and be back on the road. Of course they had a reman sitting there ready to go on once the old one came out.
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Be great if it will slip out without much effort. This is where MCI and others bus builders have a bird beat, the engine is on a cradle that is designed to be slid out the back on rails, but they were designed to have engines replaced in 1 day and be back on the road. Of course they had a reman sitting there ready to go on once the old one came out.
The cradle is only good if you have all the support stuff for the cradle.
If you have a forklift the job is easy.
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Be great if it will slip out without much effort. This is where MCI and others bus builders have a bird beat, the engine is on a cradle that is designed to be slid out the back on rails, but they were designed to have engines replaced in 1 day and be back on the road. Of course they had a reman sitting there ready to go on once the old one came out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7clzD1zDvSI

BGM did not have the cradle support stuff.
On the bird using a forklift is way easier.
On the 84 i put an engine in i did it in 3 days by myself.
that included steam cleaning the engine bay,new insulation,paint and rewrapping the wires and all now hoses etc.
And i changed the rearend pumpkin so i had a different ratio.
3 days,one man.
No helpers. (well,one helper,a Clark forklift)

The cradle was a great plan if you had the new engine on the other part of the cradle,and you had a shop full of people to do the work.
I used to hear those stories where Trailways or somebody could change an engine in an hour.
I can almost bet that most of them came back for water leaks and loose bolts etc.
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I can almost bet that most of them came back for water leaks and loose bolts etc.
Yeah, but that wouldn't be the engine change guys' problem. That's for the repair shop guys to deal with.
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BGM did not have the cradle support stuff.
On the bird using a forklift is way easier.
On the 84 i put an engine in i did it in 3 days by myself.
that included steam cleaning the engine bay,new insulation,paint and rewrapping the wires and all now hoses etc.
And i changed the rearend pumpkin so i had a different ratio.
3 days,one man.
No helpers. (well,one helper,a Clark forklift)

The cradle was a great plan if you had the new engine on the other part of the cradle,and you had a shop full of people to do the work.
I used to hear those stories where Trailways or somebody could change an engine in an hour.
I can almost bet that most of them came back for water leaks and loose bolts etc.
I was thinking about that video.. he was working with some sketchy set-up...
Yea I guess your right, it always makes it easier with the right equipment. I am sure a forklift would make things much easier. One day maybe I will have a hydraulic helper friend.
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I was thinking about that video.. he was working with some sketchy set-up...
Yea I guess your right, it always makes it easier with the right equipment. I am sure a forklift would make things much easier. One day maybe I will have a hydraulic helper friend.
I never saw that video before,i just searched youtube and it came up.
I have never seen the extra stuff you need to slide the engine out but i have talked to guys that have used it.
Level ground and a hard surface required,from how i see it its not something i would want to use.
Once you get the engine out you still need a forklift or a huge gantry crane.
old forklifts are cheap,i have paid less than 800 for them and the one i have here i paid 2500 for,12 years or more ago.
I had 3 when i moved into the warehouse,we had a small one inside to hang the cabinets and other stuff,one man can do a lot of work when he has a forklift.
Grasshopper told me he had no idea they can be used as a machanic tool,a gardening tool and as a tool to spot trailers and as a work platform for wood work and as a man lift to clean gutters etc.
Ohh,a jib is handy to have on it too (home built of course).
And i have loaded some trucks with it too!
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