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Old 09-20-2011
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Originally Posted by RGloverii View Post
Personally, I don't think it is right for laws to be written to allow law enforcement to step on people's rights. It really is that simple.

Of course, I don't want the 'bad guys' out there on the streets. Of course, I don't want the illegal drugs.

That being said, once laws are written which allow a police officer to pull over a legally operating vehicle, search that vehicle, then take their possessions WITHOUT being charged, you are opening Pandora's Box. Who dictates what amounts of cash are 'suspicious'?? When we are traveling in the coach, I usually carry 2-3k in the safe, just in case we break down in the middle of nowhere. Is that suspicious?? What if the officer hasn't met his quota for the day, and is looking for anything he can get? He sees an out of state "luxury" motorhome driving by, and thinks it looks like a motorized ATM machine. Can they seize my coach as well??

I am NOT a very political guy. But I DO believe in right and wrong. I don't think it's right for people to be searched without just cause. I especially don't think it's right for police to specifically search people's vehicles just to take their money. It's pretty obvious from watching the video that they weren't even interested in stopping the DRUGS. They're only looking for the $$$.
What he said!
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Old 09-20-2011
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We must remember we are getting our information from reporters trying to sensationalize a story. If the article read "Drug enforcement by Highway Patrol costing taxpayers millions!" would you be any happier?

A lot of this boils down to whether you believe the majority of our Cops are corrupt or not. I believe they are generally motivated by taking bad guys off the street. The reality is they are often under trained and outgunned. If properly managed, this is as clever as the asset forfeitures that were put in place a few decades ago. I will concede that I'd like to see the southbound forfeitures equal the northbound drug seizure amounts.

From the perspective of the bad guy, this must really stink. Now they must be as clever and diligent getting their cash as they are getting the drugs north. Awwwwww, too bad!

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Old 09-20-2011
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Sooner or later this will backfire on the Police. Anytime you give a group this kind of authority some one will abuse it, It's only human nature. Having been involved with firearms all my life I have had the pleasure of knowing many law enforcement officers, Some I would trust with my life, some I wouldn't turn my back on. It takes a rare person to be able to withstand this type of duty and it's stress. Because of the situation that most officers encounter daily here are a few guidelines from our friends at the ACLU that can make a difficult situation more tenable for all parties.

Stay calm. Don't run. Don't argue, resist or obstruct the police, even if you are innocent or police are violating your rights. Keep your hands where police can see them.
Ask if you are free to leave. If the officer says yes, calmly and silently walk away. If you are under arrest, you have a right to know why.
You have the right to remain silent and cannot be punished for refusing to answer questions. If you wish to remain silent, tell the officer out loud. In some states, you must give your name if asked to identify yourself.
You do not have to consent to a search of yourself or your belongings, but police may "pat down" your clothing if they suspect a ******. You should not physically resist, but you have the right to refuse consent for any further search. If you do consent, it can affect you later in court.

Stop the car in a safe place as quickly as possible. Turn off the car, turn on the internal light, open the window part way and place your hands on the wheel.
Upon request, show police your driver's license, registration and proof of insurance.
If an officer or immigration agent asks to look inside your car, you can refuse to consent to the search. But if police believe your car contains evidence of a crime, your car can be searched without your consent.
Both drivers and passengers have the right to remain silent. If you are a passenger, you can ask if you are free to leave. If the officer says yes, sit silently or calmly leave. Even if the officer says no, you have the right to remain silent.

You have the right to remain silent and do not have to discuss your immigration or citizenship status with police, immigration agents or any other officials. You do not have to answer questions about where you were born, whether you are a U.S. citizen, or how you entered the country. (Separate rules apply at international borders and airports, and for individuals on certain nonimmigrant visas, including tourists and business travelers.)
If you are not a U.S. citizen and an immigration agent requests your immigration papers, you must show them if you have them with you. If you are over 18, carry your immigration documents with you at all times. If you do not have immigration papers, say you want to remain silent.
Do not lie about your citizenship status or provide fake documents.

If the police or immigration agents come to your home, you do not have to let them in unless they have certain kinds of warrants.
Ask the officer to slip the warrant under the door or hold it up to the window so you can inspect it. A search warrant allows police to enter the address listed on the warrant, but officers can only search the areas and for the items listed. An arrest warrant allows police to enter the home of the person listed on the warrant if they believe the person is inside. A warrant of removal/deportation (ICE warrant) does not allow officers to enter a home without consent.
Even if officers have a warrant, you have the right to remain silent. If you choose to speak to the officers, step outside and close the door.

If an FBI agent comes to your home or workplace, you do not have to answer any questions. Tell the agent you want to speak to a lawyer first.
If you are asked to meet with FBI agents for an interview, you have the right to say you do not want to be interviewed. If you agree to an interview, have a lawyer present. You do not have to answer any questions you feel uncomfortable answering, and can say that you will only answer questions on a specific topic.

Do not resist arrest, even if you believe the arrest is unfair.
Say you wish to remain silent and ask for a lawyer immediately. Don't give any explanations or excuses. If you can't pay for a lawyer, you have the right to a free one. Don't say anything, sign anything or make any decisions without a lawyer.
You have the right to make a local phone call. The police cannot listen if you call a lawyer.
Prepare yourself and your family in case you are arrested. Memorize the phone numbers of your family and your lawyer. Make emergency plans if you have children or take medication.
Special considerations for non-citizens:
- Ask your lawyer about the effect of a criminal conviction or plea on your immigration status.
- Don't discuss your immigration status with anyone but your lawyer.
- While you are in jail, an immigration agent may visit you. Do not answer questions or sign anything before talking to a lawyer.
- Read all papers fully. If you do not understand or cannot read the papers, tell the officer you need an interpreter.

You have the right to a lawyer, but the government does not have to provide one for you. If you do not have a lawyer, ask for a list of free or low-cost legal services.
You have the right to contact your consulate or have an officer inform the consulate of your arrest.
Tell the ICE agent you wish to remain silent. Do not discuss your immigration status with anyone but your lawyer.
Do not sign anything, such as a voluntary departure or stipulated removal, without talking to a lawyer. If you sign, you may be giving up your opportunity to try to stay in the U.S.
Remember your immigration number ("A" number) and give it to your family. It will help family members locate you.
Keep a copy of your immigration documents with someone you trust.

Remember: police misconduct cannot be challenged on the street. Don't physically resist officers or threaten to file a complaint.
Write down everything you remember, including officers' badge and patrol car numbers, which agency the officers were from, and any other details. Get contact information for witnesses. If you are injured, take photographs of your injuries (but seek medical attention first).
File a written complaint with the agency's internal affairs division or civilian complaint board. In most cases, you can file a complaint anonymously if you wish.
Call your local ACLU or visit www.aclu.org/profiling.

This information is not intended as legal advice.
Produced by the American Civil Liberties Union 6/2010
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