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Just to be a bit serious: I agree that the third leg would have an awful lot of pressure, but for the hole in the ground all you need is a bigger plate. For example if a 2 leg plate was 8x8 inches a single plate of 12x12 would sink less than the 2 8x8s.
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You guys are funny. I appreciate that!!! But I swear I read that in a thread....now I'm going to go look for it again. And I can admit that I was w...wr...wro....not right.


I've punched some holes in the ground at times and wondered why I kept having to adjust the coach. Now I catch on sooner.
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You guys are funny. I appreciate that!!! But I swear I read that in a thread....now I'm going to go look for it again. And I can admit that I was w...wr...wro....not right.


I've punched some holes in the ground at times and wondered why I kept having to adjust the coach. Now I catch on sooner.
450 LXi Owner Manual

4-19 Stabilizing System


Your motorhome is equipped with a “Big Foot” Hydraulic Stabilizing System from Quadra Manufacturing, Inc. The Stabilizing System is compact and requires very little bay space which increases your cargo carrying capacity. This system is designed to be used in conjunction with the Hadley Air Leveling system in Section 4-5. The Air Leveling System is the primary leveling system; the hydraulic jacks are designed to stabilize a level coach - each of the four hydraulic jacks extend until it senses the ground. In an emergency situation, the hydraulic jacks can be used to manually level the coach as long as the jacks are operated in pairs as discussed in this Stabilizing Section.
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Thanks for the clarification. Here is where I came up with that.

From the link Van posted: M380 Weight and carrying capacity and Dentmac's post #37....."When the genset in the 450 was moved- it moved 500 pounds from the right front to the left rear so Bluebird modified the 4 point air leveling system to a 3 point system to mask the side to side weight issue. The 450 does twist."

It was the leveling word that got me. Reading too fast.
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Default Air Bag vs Jack Leveling in an M380 & Truma Leveling App

Don’t confuse parked leveling (jacks) with leveling while driving (air bags). One is bubble level and the other is coach left-right/front-rear suspension level. JimB explains how M380 air bags work in post #7 HERE. Unlike newer Prevost bus conversions, the M380 does not use or depend upon the air bags for “bubble leveling” while parked. One owner has converted his M380 to use this method (I think Garry). However as designed by BB, those Bigfoot jacks alone do the job when parked and they expect the air bags to be dumped before they are activated. The BF controller has a dump function to do this automatically, but that was not implemented by BB. So one must dump their air suspension manually before activating the BF Leveling either automatically or manually (2 at a time preferred). Although the jacks will extend when the air suspension is in the raised position, for all but a perfectly level campsite the BF jacks will not have sufficient throw to work effectively. To make matters worse, on my coach BB mounted the jacks too high. See THIS THREAD (post #21) for details on how I fixed that annoying issue.

Good info for all follows: When I land at a campsite parking spot, I want to know if the jacks by themselves can “bubble” level the coach before I press the suspension DUMP switch. So I break out my iPad with the Truma Leveling App (find it in the Android or Apple App Store) and place it on the floor. In seconds it will tell me the exact amount in inches that each corner of the coach is out-of-level. I can then decide if I need to move, break out some boards or blocks to “help” the jacks height-wise, or can just press the BF Auto button. Setup is simple - just tell it inches or cm and the size of your coach, then use it! I highly recommend this FREE App, even to Alpine owners .
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I always talk ride height when discussing attitude for travel. Question of semantics. I gotcha now.
I will down load that app. I have gotten pretty good at eyeballing it, but that sounds like a great tool. I could have used that at Elk Meadows in Estes Park when they told me my site was level.
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Good info for all follows: When I land at a campsite parking spot, I want to know if the jacks by themselves can “bubble” level the coach before I press the suspension DUMP switch. So I break out my iPad with the Truma Leveling App (find it in the Android or Apple App Store) and place it on the floor. In seconds it will tell me the exact amount in inches that each corner of the coach is out-of-level. I can then decide if I need to move, break out some boards or blocks to “help” the jacks height-wise, or can just press the BF Auto button. Setup is simple - just tell it inches or cm and the size of your coach, then use it! I highly recommend this FREE App, even to Alpine owners .
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Have discovered that sat dishes are far more efficient than a/c units when gathering Rainbow Power. This special antenna allows that power to be used for coach leveling (a factoid added to avoid the dreaded thread hijack )
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Well, being the OP, I wanted to learn about the 380. It started with the CCC, learned about the front axle and tires, I now know that there is no HWH aboard, the 380’s built like a tank and the 380 and 450 have four hydraulic jacks not three. On a side, I found a useful tool to tell me in need four 2x12’s under my rear jacks in a level site!! All good.
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I've variously heard of numbers similar to that. Body numbers started at 100, and the highest that anyone has reported was 185, which would be 86 coaches if all numbers were used. That is not a given, as the numbers are completely out of order of actual build; in fact 185 is a 2003 (the Blue and Silver coach currently owned by Doug W).


I remember from an old recall that there were 140+ H4RE chassis built, but that includes express buses.
Hey Don,
Interesting facts especially about chassis order! I don’t doubt you either. Oddly my 2003 is titled as 2004. Is that due to time it took to build? Or sell?

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If it's titled a 2004 it is a 2004. Somewhere I thought that was a 2003. We call coaches by their title, not build. Mine is number 126 (26 when you drop the 100) also a 2004, but built in 2003. July, specifically. The manufactured date appears on the plate with weight and paint codes up top center above the dash.
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