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LX and LXI (Unique Issues) If you have a unique issue with your LX or LXI model coach and it can't be answered in one of the other forums here, then this is where you can list it, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE ISSUES INVOLVED WITH ANY LAWSUIT.....list your LX and LXI Parts here too.

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Old 07-11-2012
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Default 43' LXi inspection

Below is the a PDI that Parliament did at my request on the Bird I'm buying from another dealer. This is my first motor coach and my first Bird, I got to admit I didn't know what half this stuff meant. Richard at Parliament helped me to understand what is what but I thought I might ask for some comments and opinions.

Dear Mr. Legue,
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*PLEASE FIND BELOW THE LIST WE HAVE FOUND BY DOING OUR SYSTEMS TEST. INVOICE IS ATTACHED*
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1. GLENDING SHORE POWER CORD REEL HAS NO IN STOP LIMIT SWITCH CUT OFF
2. NO LEVEL WARNING LIGHT
3. HWH IN BYPASS MODE
4. SHORELINE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED BECAUSE OF MELTING IN PLUG END
5. TOP RADIATOR COOLANT LINE IS RUSTED AND NEEDS REPLACEMENT
6. AIR FILTER GAUGE SHOWS REPLACE
7. REAR AIR CONDITIONER COVER NOT PAINTED
8. ROOF NEEDS SCRAPE AND SEAL,* SEALANT CRACKING
9. EXHAUST GRILL IS DAMAGED (COSMETIC)
10. GEN SERVICE LABEL SHOWS LAST SERVICE IS 2009
11. ODOMETER SHOWS 89,373 M AND ECU SHOWS 73,336 M
12. NOT LEVELING, HWH PAD RETURNS TO TRAVEL MODE
13. WAS UNABLE TO OPERATE DASH RADIO
14. TVS HAVE NO DIGITAL TUNER CAPABILITY
15. ACCENT LIGHTING OUT IN PLACES THROUGH OUT COACH
16. PASSENGER SIDE WINDSHIELD WASHER INOP
17. AIR CONDITIONER FILTERS NEED CLEANED
18. HOUSE BATTERIES NOT HOLDING A CHARGE
19. AQUA HOT REQUIRES SERVICE (SMOKING A LITTLE)
20.* 50 AMP BREAKER IN BEDROOM TRIPS ON OCCASION
21. SLIDE ROOMS NOT LOCKING
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Old 07-12-2012
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Nothing there that Parliament can't take care of. From their list, they should be able to give you an estimate to bring it right up to near perfect.

What about the DOT codes on the tires? How old?

What color should the air conditioner cover be painted? I have two 1999 LXi covers in tan metallic.
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All items are repairable however when added up those will be a significant bill!!

As Rich commented the tires need to be inspected for the DOT dates.

Also with given the past history as listed on this forum I would check for exhaust leaks especially around the muffler and vertical stack area.
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#18. We had our house batteries replaced at Parliament not too long ago. This will cost you at least $3000. for Decas. They were able to get them in for us in only a day or two, but then they would not hold a full charge. Deca first had to send a representative out to confirm and then they had to be sent back to the manufacturer, only for the manufacturer to turn around say that they were fine and sent them back again! Parliament re-installed them, correctly the second time, but the whole process took about 6 weeks. Fortunately, or unfortunately we didn't have a trip planned, but if we had of, or had been full timers, it would have been a major inconvenience.
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Old 07-13-2012
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Below is the a PDI that Parliament did at my request on the Bird I'm buying from another dealer. This is my first motor coach and my first Bird, I got to admit I didn't know what half this stuff meant. Richard at Parliament helped me to understand what is what but I thought I might ask for some comments and opinions.

Dear Mr. Legue,
*
*PLEASE FIND BELOW THE LIST WE HAVE FOUND BY DOING OUR SYSTEMS TEST. INVOICE IS ATTACHED*
*
1. GLENDING SHORE POWER CORD REEL HAS NO IN STOP LIMIT SWITCH CUT OFF
2. NO LEVEL WARNING LIGHT
3. HWH IN BYPASS MODE
4. SHORELINE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED BECAUSE OF MELTING IN PLUG END
5. TOP RADIATOR COOLANT LINE IS RUSTED AND NEEDS REPLACEMENT
6. AIR FILTER GAUGE SHOWS REPLACE
7. REAR AIR CONDITIONER COVER NOT PAINTED
8. ROOF NEEDS SCRAPE AND SEAL,* SEALANT CRACKING
9. EXHAUST GRILL IS DAMAGED (COSMETIC)
10. GEN SERVICE LABEL SHOWS LAST SERVICE IS 2009
11. ODOMETER SHOWS 89,373 M AND ECU SHOWS 73,336 M
12. NOT LEVELING, HWH PAD RETURNS TO TRAVEL MODE
13. WAS UNABLE TO OPERATE DASH RADIO
14. TVS HAVE NO DIGITAL TUNER CAPABILITY
15. ACCENT LIGHTING OUT IN PLACES THROUGH OUT COACH
16. PASSENGER SIDE WINDSHIELD WASHER INOP
17. AIR CONDITIONER FILTERS NEED CLEANED
18. HOUSE BATTERIES NOT HOLDING A CHARGE
19. AQUA HOT REQUIRES SERVICE (SMOKING A LITTLE)
20.* 50 AMP BREAKER IN BEDROOM TRIPS ON OCCASION
21. SLIDE ROOMS NOT LOCKING
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1. Reel should have a 'stop' to keep cord from being stressed.

2. Apparently related to HWH system, when ground is too steep to achieve a safe leveling of the coach.

3. HWH computer is apparently not working properly. Could be minor fix (e.g. sensor problem) or more serious. Would need a more through troubleshooting to determine exact problem. The work around appears that the HWH is being run in manual mode.

4. Shoreline is the power cord that connects to the pedestal in an RV park. This is a common problem caused by plugging (or unplugging) the cord while the breakers on the pedestal are turned on (should always be off when plugging in). This causes burning/pitting of the contacts. If the plastic plug itself is the issue, this suggests overheating of the plug, possibly caused by a loose connection between the wire and plug contacts.

5. self explanatory.

6. Need to replace air filter or clean filter if it is a "permanent" filter.

7. Cosmetic. the cover may have been replaced due to damage. This could suggest potential hidden damage to the AC so thorough operational test is suggested.

8. Time and sun will dry out sealant on the roof. This is an expected maintenance issue every few years. There are some excellent "self-leveling" sealants that will give years of service. This can be self-done, if you're up to it, as it's more labor intensive than skill intensive. There are also some adhesive sheet products that are quite good, but also expensive. (I solved a leak around my Fantastic fan with the adhesive product. I had to remove several layers of ineffective caulk installed by previous owners. (Had the original repair started by removing the "bad" caulk before applying another layer, or had the subsequent "repairs" been done correctly by scraping out the old caulk, I probably would not have had to deal with the leak.)

9. This one suggests that a careful inspection of the muffler and search for exhaust leaks be made. My leaky muffler burned/damaged the exhaust grill... ultimately requiring an expensive muffler replacement. There have been a few cases of nasty fires caused by bad mufflers. This should not be overlooked.

10. Not good ... but services may have been done by an owner, since changing oil, oil filter, and air filter is a simple service job that most owners can handle. I usually changed the oil and filters on my generator a couple of times (based on hours of use) between engine oil changes (and general bus service) done by commercial vendors. I never thought to put a sticker stating when/hours that the service was done, though I did have that info in a notebook I kept.

11. ?? internal computer does not match odometer. The question is if the hours divided by miles result in a reasonable figure. Better the engine not have had long hours of idling rather than over-the-road travel. Can't say what this particular anomaly actually means.

12. This corresponds to some of the earlier HWH-related notes. The automatic leveling system isn't working properly. Thorough troubleshooting required to find out what's wrong. Fix can be simple or expensive.

13. Radio may be switched off from separate amplifier (switch may not be labeled) or radio may have failed. It's fairly simple to install a new radio -- and I installed one that had a built-in CD player that also read MP3 files off the CD (so you could put 5 or 6 hours of music on one CD). The replacement radio also had an iPod connector. Basically, I significantly upgraded the OEM radio.

14. Not unexpected since there was a nationwide change to digital TV after this coach was built. You'll probably need to upgrade the TV system to flat-panel units with digital capability. The old TVs will probably work with analog cable signals still available at many RV parks.

15. Not untypical. The incandescent bulbs in rope lighting (used extensively) often have a few fail. These can be replaced with LED rope lights ... or ignored.

16. My windshield washer was inop when I got my coach ... I never got around to trying to trouble shoot it. As a practical matter, if windshield washer is needed, it will be the driver's side that's most important. I used "Rain-X" on the windshield and it tended to prevent need for the windshield washer. You'll have to apply your own level of seriousness to this problem. Fix is usually not too difficult in any event.

17. Simple maintenance item. I usually rinsed out my AC filters several times each season. They get dusty, and can be rinsed in a sink, then re-installed behind the interior air intake cover. (If there is a dog or cat on board, the AC filters will pick up animal hair...)

18. This can be an expensive replacement -- and as noted, installation of the batteries has to be correct. I spent $2000+ on 6 new AGM-type 4-D house batteries.

19. AquaHot needs an annual service. Smoking is a sign that the burner is not "in spec" and a service would probably correct that. I can no longer recall the service cost, but it wasn't a big item. Be sure to use an A-H certified technician.

20. A concern ... but might be related to the "melting" of the shoreline plug. It is possible that there is an overload, so an analysis of the systems in use is required. Could simply be a "bad" breaker, so a new one might solve the problem.

21. I didn't have slides on my coach ... but this would be a significant concern as you can't drive if the slide is not "locked" when retracted.

As suggested, get an estimate on the price range to make the repairs ... A couple of these could be quite expensive. However, once you have an estimate on the repairs, it could be used as a bargaining point to bring down the sale price of the coach. There is nothing there that tells me "run" from this coach.

A long-term suggestion on this list is always to hold out about $10,000 from your purchase budget to put toward necessary repairs/maintenance/desirable upgrades of a new 'bird during the first few months of ownership. Most of the time, that is a pretty fair budget and, depending on the age of the coach, there are always several items needing some level of attention.

Also other commenters suggested checking the DOT dates on the tires -- excellent advice since RV tires usually "time out" before they wear out. (7 years is the max for most brands, though Michelin claims 10 years life.) Figure installed price of $500 per tire (or 8 x $500 = $4800). Often, a couple of tires will be newer and those might work OK on the tag axle up to their life limit.
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Howdy, Ed and Michelle,
18. HOUSE BATTERIES NOT HOLDING A CHARGE

Jack buys our batteries from WalMart because WalMart is all over the USA. They are inexpensive, too.


Good luck with your Wanderlodge.

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18. This can be an expensive replacement -- and as noted, installation of the batteries has to be correct. I spent $2000+ on 6 new AGM-type 4-D house batteries.

Where did you find these AGMs for that price?

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18. This can be an expensive replacement -- and as noted, installation of the batteries has to be correct. I spent $2000+ on 6 new AGM-type 4-D house batteries.

Where did you find these AGMs for that price?

Dan
I purchased 6 model 4-D (about 150# each) AGM batteries from DC Battery Specialists (www.dcbattery.com) online. The price included shipping. This purchase was made back in 2007 for a total delivered cost of $2150.64.

I note that the Full River batteries were slightly larger than the Deka AGMs I removed ... forcing me to get help from a friend with a welding rig to modify the hold-down clamps to install them. I caution that it is very important to carefully check the dimensions of the replacements, to avoid nasty surprises when you go to install the batteries. The measurement change was an increase of about 1.25 inches for the combined pairs of batteries -- causing serious headaches in getting the hold-down attached.

The LXI may require more house batteries than my '95 as I had a total of 6 model 4D (there were 3 smaller engine batteries, but they seemed to work satisfactorily).
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Ok so now we've taken delivery, the dealership and service is closed, and....wait for it..the power at their campground is out. I start the genny and it runs for 10 minutes like a champ, then idles down and chugs to a halt. I have checked the oil level, oil pressure is 50 when running, the coolant is good, and I think I'm holding my mouth right. It has done it 4 or 5 times now, it's a thousand degrees, we're trying to move from the 5th wheel to the Bird. Any HELP would be appreciated!

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Ed,

I had this problem once on my LX genny and it was a fuel flow problem. How full is the diesel fuel tank? I wonder if the fuel lines to genny may be crimped or maybe the fuel pump input is partially clogged? Is there a fuel filter in-line before the fuel pump on the genny? My 99 LX genny has an electric fuel pump, and just before it died completely, it acted the way your is actiing.

I am sorry; maybe you can move to another campsite with power?
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