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Old 12-09-2019
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Default 1200AH Battle Born LiFePO4 time

I told you all how my old 8D 12 volt AGM blew up right before I took off on a trip a few weeks ago. I got back yesterday. I tore into the bus for my first real project since I got it. I soaked the wingnuts holding the rack down on top of the battries. I got two off and had to cut two. So I cut all for tie downs and will replace them with fresh ones. These were not hooks. The must have been original. I was alone and those **** batteries are heavy. I had already disconnect everything so I pulled them out and let them hit the ground (gently). A friend (younger) came by and helped me get them out front so I can take them to the scrap yard for a few $ hopefully.

I have had 4 new BB 12 volt 100Ah batteries since last summer. Last Monday they had a Cyber Monday sale on what they call 'seconds' a few hundred off each. I got 8 more. I also got the the Sterling alternator protector, tLiFePO4 Battery Isolation Manager and a Victron battery monitor.

I had to do a lot of cleanup in the battery bay. I used my mini grinder and a specialized descaler I got fro Eastwoods.

I still want to build the 48 volt Leaf battery (I have the pack) but the exploding bus battery sort of changed my plans.

I was up in the air about putting the back into the tray. I will say the Battle Born support staff are right there and handy. I'm going to make a light foam tent to keep the engine heat from getting to them to bad. They can run well up to around 125 and top out (before shutdown at 135. I don't intend to go any place cold with the coach. They will operate down to 24 and keep producing power to -4. No way I am ever going to go there.I get the 48 volt battery together next year I'll put the 12 Battle Born battries up i the coach.

The pallet of batteries show up tomorrow. I have plan to get all 8 into the tray.

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Default 1200AH Battle Born LiFePO4 time

I told you all how my old 8D 12 volt AGM blew up right before I took off on a trip a few weeks ago. I got back yesterday. I tore into the bus for my first real project since I got it. I soaked the wingnuts holding the rack down on top of the battries. I got two off and had to cut two. So I cut all four tie downs and will replace them with fresh ones. These were not hooks. The must have been original. I was alone and those **** batteries are heavy. I had already disconnect everything so I pulled them out and let them hit the ground (gently). A friend (younger) came by and helped me get them out front so I can take them to the scrap yard for a few $ hopefully.

I have 4 new BB 12 volt 100Ah batteries since last summer. Last Monday they had a Cyber Monday sale on what they call 'seconds' a few hundred off each. I got 8 more. I also got the the Sterling alternator protector, tLiFePO4 Battery Isolation Manager and a Victron battery monitor.

I had to do a lot of cleanup in the battery bay. I used my mini grinder and a specialized descaler I got from Eastwood that I plan to use later on for the frame cleanup.

I still want to build the 48 volt Leaf battery (I have the pack) but the exploding bus battery sort of changed my plans.

I was up in the air about putting them back into the tray. I will say the Battle Born support staff are right there and handy. I'm going to make a light foam tent to keep the engine heat from getting to them too bad. They can run well up to around 125 and top out (before shutdown at 135). I don't intend to go any place cold with the coach. They will operate down to 24 and keep producing power to -4. No way I am ever going to go there.I get the 48 volt battery together next year I'll put the 12 Battle Born battries up in the coach.

The pallet of batteries show up tomorrow. I have plan to get all 8 into the tray. I am going to run them in parallel. The way I plan to put them in I will be able to use the original wiring harness. Should have a new report by Wednesday.

Sometime this winter I have a new Victron Quattro 5000 watt inverter charger to go in and the solar array. The only thing left in the coach that uses propane is the stove I foresee putting in an induction cook top and taking the propane tank out. I might move the Battle Born battery bank there?

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... I was alone and those **** (old lead) batteries are heavy... I have 4 new BB 12 volt 100Ah batteries... (and) I got 8 more... I still want to build the 48 volt Leaf battery (I have the pack)... I'm going to make a light foam tent to keep the engine heat from getting to them... (when) I get the 48 volt battery together next year I'll put the 12 Battle Born battries up in the coach... I have plan to get all 8 into the tray. I am going to run them in parallel... Sometime this winter I have a new Victron Quattro 5000 watt inverter charger to go in and the solar array. The only thing left in the coach that uses propane is the stove I foresee putting in an induction cook top and taking the propane tank out. I might move the Battle Born battery bank there?
Nice project. We continue to enjoy benefits of our All-Electric Conversion. BB’s or something like them are on the wish list, but hard to justify $$ when the L16 AGM’s are working perfectly. Comments -
  • BB advertises impressive temperature numbers. As someone who regularly tests those upper limits, I remain skeptical. Keeping them insulated from close-by engine heat is also important. I used pink insulation board (now painted black).
  • Have you checked your weight and balance? Especially important if you pull that (now) useless propane bottle.
  • This HF lifting hand cart would’ve been helpful. Have used mine many times since the battery installation project.
  • So, you’ll have 1200Ah usable from those BB’s? Suggestion - unless you plan on providing power for your neighbors or running your A/C off the batteries for days like Andy does, why not put the Leaf pack on eBay and be done with it?
  • For your battery cables - bigger/thicker is better. Have been very satisfied with how I did ours (described in the All-Electric conversion thread mentioned above).
  • If you’re doing a new inverter/charger, why not wire the BB’s 4x4x4 with a 48V Victron?
  • Can tell you going all electric with a pack like yours has big advantages. Converting the old propane bottle bay into useful space is something I’d do again, even if I hadn’t moved the location of my batteries from up front. If nothing else, it makes a good place for those lawn chairs!
  • Have never missed the gas burner stovetop. Our Kenyon has been worth the extra $$ compared to other cheaper options.
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$12000 worth of batteries?
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Does Battleborn give any data on the effect of temperature on charge/discharge cycles for their magic batteries? Do they offer any kind of warrantee on them if they are operated at 125F? I would be very very cautious about the temperatures you can see in that bay.
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Curious, How does that eastwood de-scaler work for you?
Does it remove mill scale to prep for welding?

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I got to get the more aggressive heads. The ones I got are all plastic. I had to use my mini grinder to get the chunks up. It did make a big difference fast, and I was covered head to toe in rust and chunks of mat. Wife saw me heading in and stopped me. I had to come in the pool entrance and take them off there. Then she got me something to put on and had me beat the clothing outside lol. I think it will be a handy tool once I get the right heads. It did a lot of dirty work. It fairly light and that’s what I want when I’m on my back under the coach for a few weeks (on and off).
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12-10-2019 @ 11:20 am - Combined the two "1200AH Battle Born LiFePO4 time" Threads that were running simultaneously. JW
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Thanks, not sure how I did that.
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