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Default HWH jack repair,Wide Body coach

A few weeks ago i got involved with a 96WB front HWH jack rebuild.
This jack was not the same as the jack we rebuilt for Clint last year.
The retainer that holds the ram in was totally different.
We had several other WOGgers here and we had the jack in the pipe vise and even though we all looked it over we could not see how it came apart.
Well,we did see how it was held together,but we did not see how t get it apart with destruction!


So,we took it to our local shop and the son of the owner was working the counter and we talked about the jack,he slyly admitted that it took a special tool to get the snap rings out and that they had done them before.
I told him my ideas for doing the job and he smiled and said i was on the right track.


We left the jack to befixed andwent back to work.
A few days later the old man (shop owner) called and said the jack had to be cut apart to be fixed and they would not do it,said i needed to buy a new jack.
Yeah,right,GAME on!


We went and got the jack and put it in the vise and started looking it over again,we came up with a game plan and in an hour or so we had it apart and we did not use a torch!


WE sent Carol to the hydraulic shop and bought the seals for 2 jacks and $27 later (for both sets) we had the parts.


We put it back together and it works just fine!
Pics coming later today.
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Nice Randy! They always want to cut the Jack apart.....
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I think the shops just don't want to deal with RVs.
And i will admit to studying Chaps Jack thread and i used his pics as a guide.
The jack was not like Chaps,but seeing how his was assembled helped us figure out how it came apart.
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WE did make a few tools to do the job,simple and easy stuff.
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Typically the “Magician” does not Reveal his Trick!
Inquiring minds what to know...
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I have an appointment today,when i get home i will post pics and tell the trick!
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Simple and easy stuff. 6 people at least, over 400 man - years of experience, probably over 100 man - hours of work and travel. Yes, easy stuff, once you figure it out.
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I got a set of 4 jacks from Ben's 78 BB and cut one apart. Then on WOG saw the tool used to remove the snap ring so I will try the next one that way. I have repaired one rear jack, I ripped the springs off getting into my new drive way. I had to removed it to get the springs out. The next jack has a pin hole leak on the top (can not see it) will need to remove it also to repair it. Any pic's will be of help!
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Yesterday i got busy and we never got around to posting the pics.
On this project i was lucky enough to have Jim B here to observe and give ideas.
As normal he got his hands dirty and we all had big smiles when we figured out the magic in the jack.


The ram was held in with a round snap ring and two brass locking rings and we tried to get the snap ring out of the internal groove through a small access port.
We could only get to one side of the snap ring and the port hole is about 3/8'',we could get one end of the ring pushed in but that was it.
Plus we still had the seals at the bottom of the ram to deal with,with them in place we could not make a long skinny tool to try and get the snap ring out.


The seals/packing had a round snap ring holding the seals in place and we could not get it out with a pick,so we drilled a small hole on the outside of the jack barrel or body and pushed the snap ring right out. (more on that later).


With the lower snap ring out we thought we could push the seals out with hydraulic pressure.
So we took the fitting out of the top of the body and screwed a grease gun hose into that port.
(beware the grease gun!)
WE went to Tractor supply and bought cheap grease gun grease and started pumping the barrel/body full of grease.
It took 7 tubes of grease to fill the barrel and then the seals just popped right out.
So with the seals out of the way we took a piece of tig welding with (very stiff wire,about 040 diameter) and bent a tight loop in one end.
Jim B had rotated the snap ring around and we had the end in the "window".
He pushed the snap ring down with a tiny screwdriver and i stuck the wire loop up from the bottom and we lassoed the end of the snap ring.
With the help of the screwdriver i pulled the wire around and out and the snap ring popped right out.
Once that was out the brass retainers and the ram slid right out.


Carol went to the hydraulic shop and got the parts and the next day after cleaning out 7 tubes of grease we put it all back together.
We did make a special tool or 2 to get the snap ring back in and a tool to push the seals in.


1-the counterbore in the barrel where the seals go
2-the ram with the old seals and snap rings in place,so you can see the oreder of assembly
3-the tool we made to press the snap ring into place
4-same tool
5-the "window" with the snap ring in place
6-the window with the snap ring and the brass retainers in place.
7-the tool for installing the seals
8-the tool used to install the inner snap ring (same as 3-4)


In pic 3 you can see the small hole we drilled to remove the other snap ring.
It in the barrel,just to left of center.


On pics 5-6 thats the window,about 6 inchs up from the bottom and has a pipe plug to seal the hols.


Pics 3-4-8,the stainless tool was found in the scrap barrel at my buddies shop down the street,they build stainless stuff for the medical industry and i get to dig in the scrap bins.
This round thing was the perfect size (once we compressed it) to fit right in the barrel and pushed the ring into place with a nice "snap"!


7- is a short piece of stainless exhaust pipe i had left over from building headers for a race car.


I mentioned drilling the hole to remove the snap ring.
Well,after we had this job all done and out hands washed i remembered i was at HWH a year ago and they rebuilt one of my jacks (same style jack).
So one of the guys here with a smart phone got under my bus and took pics of my jack,same jack,and they had drilled the same hole in the barrel to remove the snap ring (great minds think a

like!)


I have another idea for taking this style jack apart,but i will save that for another day.


I have used a grease gun to remove the pistons out of brake calipers and other things,what we normally do is fill the cavity or in theis case the barrel with used motor oil,then pump the grease in to blow the piston out.
In this case we just wasted 7 tubes of grease,but we thought the mess may be smaller and easier to cleanup than blowing a gal of black oil out.

I have used grease guns to to move pistons in rusty engine blocks by making an adapter out of a spark plug,move the piston down and sand the rust out of the cylinder and then remove the piston.
Pump the head and cylinder full if grease in that case.
I have also removed flat head ford heads the same way,the ones with studs holding the heads on,remove the nuts and pump the cylinders full of grease,the head will come off!
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wow! not nearly as easy as the one you and Mark fixed for me. Wonder why they changed the design?
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