Wanderlodge Owners Group  
BuyByeBlueBird.com
Donate

Go Back   Wanderlodge Owners Group > Mechanic's Corner > HVAC, Air Conditioners, Aqua Hot, Primus, Webasto, Chassis Heaters, Furnaces and Water Heaters

HVAC, Air Conditioners, Aqua Hot, Primus, Webasto, Chassis Heaters, Furnaces and Water Heaters Questions and information about the wide variety of Heating and Air Conditioning as well as Water Heater systems available are discussed here.

Site Search:
Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 02-23-2019
DaleR DaleR is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Boondocks
Posts: 245
Default Webasto DBW 2010 Installation in my 1987, PT 38’

Hello everyone,

I just picked up a nice clean Webasto DBW 2010. I have been looking for a while. I will more than likely get someone to install it for me as I will not have the time. I am thinking of installing it above the batteries on a swing out platform so I can get at the batteries. If that does not work out it will go in the compartment to the rear of the (curb side) BBQ compartment. I have read and re read all the threads here on WOG and they have some great insight.

Some of the things I need to sort out below:

1. Where to tie into the fuel system
2. Do I install a valve so the hydronic does not heat the engine all the time unless a valve is turned on
3. Do I need an expansion tank
4. Should I run a loop for the water tanks
5. Should I install a convector in the basement
6. I am thinking of only have one programmable thermostat
7. I want to keep the install simple

Any insight and recommendations, lessons learned from your installation would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Dale
__________________

Dale
British Columbia
1987 38' PT Wanderlodge 8V92

Last edited by Dieselbird01; 03-13-2019 at 02:21 AM. Reason: Changed title
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-23-2019
Captain Fred Captain Fred is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: North Billerica
Posts: 107
Default

Just a quick question concerning the install on top of the batteries. When charging the batts make hydrogen gas. I would be concerned about putting anything that has a flame in that compartment. Am I just being paranoid here ?
I have seen a battery in a car that exploded and it buckled the hood.
__________________
Fred Penney
North Billerica, Massachusetts
1987FC35SB
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-24-2019
hexspeed hexspeed is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Westerville
Posts: 151
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaleR View Post
it will go in the compartment to the rear of the (curb side) BBQ compartment
Not sure I’d want the exhaust on the curb side - guess it depends on whether you think you’ll be sitting outside under the awning while it’s running. Extending the exhaust to exit another direction is possible but would add to installation complexity.
__________________
Jim Beeson
Westerville, OH
2004 M380 SS
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-24-2019
Rick's Avatar
Rick Rick is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Bellefonte
Posts: 12,938
Default

Exhaust is not a problem. Run it where ever you want. When we did my SP the exhaust ran to the rear below the rear bumper. Nothing a few feet of exhaust pipe wont fix.
__________________
Rick Shawver
1SG Ret
2000 LX
Vise Grips
Bellefonte, AR
F127656
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-24-2019
Randy Dupree's Avatar
Randy Dupree Randy Dupree is offline
Forum owner
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Archer,Fl
Posts: 34,244
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaleR View Post
Hello everyone,

I just picked up a nice clean Webasto DBW 2010. I have been looking for a while. I will more than likely get someone to install it for me as I will not have the time. I am thinking of installing it above the batteries on a swing out platform so I can get at the batteries. If that does not work out it will go in the compartment to the rear of the (curb side) BBQ compartment. I have read and re read all the threads here on WOG and they have some great insight.

Some of the things I need to sort out below:

1. Where to tie into the fuel system
2. Do I install a valve so the hydronic does not heat the engine all the time unless a valve is turned on
3. Do I need an expansion tank
4. Should I run a loop for the water tanks
5. Should I install a convector in the basement
6. I am thinking of only have one programmable thermostat
7. I want to keep the install simple

Any insight and recommendations, lessons learned from your installation would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Dale

1-at the racor filter
2-yes,no need to heat the engine when your feet is whats cold
3-i think so
4-no
5-no
6-one is easy
7-simple is good.


If you hire this done you will not be happy i bet.
the install is all in the details.
__________________
DO NOT SEND PM
email me at randy@randydupree.com only.

Randy Dupree
2000 LXI 43
Bainbridge,Ga.
Archer Fl.
www.buybyebluebird.com

randy@randydupree.com
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-24-2019
DaleR DaleR is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Boondocks
Posts: 245
Default

Can you guy's that have installed this in a mid 80s Bird post up some photos of were you located the Webasto please ?

Randy, If I get it done I will have all the detail's in order the way I want it to be installed. I will do ll the fab work etc.

Thanks for the input

Dale
__________________

Dale
British Columbia
1987 38' PT Wanderlodge 8V92
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-24-2019
DW SD DW SD is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Encinitas
Posts: 1,412
Default

I out the smaller webasto thermotop behind the rear bumper on the left side. My purpose was to heat the marine hot water tank. That was great. Did you see my thread? I tapped diesel in from a pipe plug in the fuel filter console.

I like your idea above the batteries. I think the flame is in the combustion chamber not external. Run the exhaust away from the batteries. You could make a remote inlet snorkel to make sure it doesn’t pick up hydrogen.

I’d hate to use up other valuable storage I guess. Especially when all the connections you want are in the engine bay. Using a check valve or two would ensure coolant flows in the right direction parallel to how the engine pushes coolant.

Jaguarsthatrun.com has some great machined aluminum tees and adapters for coolant plumbing.
__________________
Doug W.
Encinitas CA
2004 M380
Ex-PT36
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-25-2019
DaleR DaleR is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Boondocks
Posts: 245
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DW SD View Post
I out the smaller webasto thermotop behind the rear bumper on the left side. My purpose was to heat the marine hot water tank. That was great. Did you see my thread? I tapped diesel in from a pipe plug in the fuel filter console.

I like your idea above the batteries. I think the flame is in the combustion chamber not external. Run the exhaust away from the batteries. You could make a remote inlet snorkel to make sure it doesn’t pick up hydrogen.

I’d hate to use up other valuable storage I guess. Especially when all the connections you want are in the engine bay. Using a check valve or two would ensure coolant flows in the right direction parallel to how the engine pushes coolant.

Jaguarsthatrun.com has some great machined aluminum tees and adapters for coolant plumbing.
Hi Doug,

Yes I am subscribed to your thread and watch the progress. You sure tucked it out of the way nicely.

I live in Canada and need the 2010 as I use my coach in the winter months and lots in the fall hunting etc. I am not sure just yet if it will go above the batteries but I am going to try and see how it would work out. I am going to start mocking things up and go from there. I will try and keep things posted on here.

Thanks, Dale
__________________

Dale
British Columbia
1987 38' PT Wanderlodge 8V92
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-25-2019
DW SD DW SD is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Encinitas
Posts: 1,412
Default

Hi Dale,
Sounds like a plan...
I think you could build its own sheetmetal compartment to keep it isolated from the batteries, too.
I'd use dzus fittings from one of the race car supply houses were I do that. Maybe using 1/8" aluminum sheet cut on a table saw. Or scored via table saw and then bent.

As Randy said, use an expansion tank. nice OEM-grade ones available for late model VW on Amazon.

I had considered building a log manifold, for zones. Each with its own ball valve for tuning or shutting off a zone.
I remember seeing BadAndy bought high quality 12V coolant pump from a supercharger intercooler application. If you would add another pump, I'd track down his thread. I think it was very economical (low current draw), even PWM compatible.

If I were starting from scratch, I'd make one of the loops the engine pre-heat that you could shut off. Maybe bedroom, water heater, living and engine pre-heat as 4 zones. Or plumb them all in series but with ball valves to shut off a zone, but also a pair of Tees and an extra hose to bypass.

Cheers, Doug
__________________
Doug W.
Encinitas CA
2004 M380
Ex-PT36
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-26-2019
Island Bird Island Bird is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Anacortes
Posts: 189
Default

I know your '87 is probably a little different than my '93,but I mounted my Espar (which looks alot like your Webasto) where the primus boilers used to be,next to racor......
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCF2843.jpg
Views:	118
Size:	201.5 KB
ID:	60397  
__________________
Mike and Ginny

1993 40 WBSA
22 Grady White
2500 Chevy pu
Chevy Trailblazer
Jeep Wrangler
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Looking to purchase a PT in Jan 2019 Shahin Coaches Wanted 19 03-15-2019 07:07 PM
Penasco 2019 curtsprenger Birds Of a Feather (BOF) 18 02-18-2019 01:30 PM
Flywheeler's 2019 Turbokitty Rallies 26 02-18-2019 07:54 AM
Webasto Thermo Top C installation - Question about Fuel pump installation DW SD HVAC, Air Conditioners, Aqua Hot, Primus, Webasto, Chassis Heaters, Furnaces and Water Heaters 27 02-04-2019 01:12 PM
Coolant Filter Installation -1987 PT38 – 8V92 iamflagman 'Bird Projects & Modifications 29 11-11-2017 01:18 PM

Web Search:

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:49 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.