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Old 02-02-2020
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Check out this video, complete teardown of MT643... I am guessing that is the trans your FC.

Thank you sir, good video...
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Thank you sir, good video...
No problem, love to see the mechanical marvel of automatic transmissions...

Here is the re-assembly video:

https://youtu.be/-BqmTij-HYo

Here is a video I made of pictures from my work on a ZF 5HP24.

https://youtu.be/iV8LfQueAb8

This transmission did not need a full rebuild, just repair parts. The frictions were like new, but these transmissions have some flaws, including issues with the A-drum and the pressure regulator in the valve body. So this transmission got a new valve body and new redesigned cast A-drum housing. I also replaced all the rubber parts since this vehicle was not used for a bit due to a blown engine.
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OK.. governor checks out ok. Clean, springs good, gears good, rotates freely and I can see the internal shaft move up and down when I move the weights in and out. On to the mechanical linkage while I search for a replacement filter so I can change the fluid next.

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Check out this video, complete teardown of MT643... I am guessing that is the trans your FC.

https://youtu.be/VaDNzkWeeqY

Sounds like you definitely need to check the shift linkage adjustment and make sure its getting into the correct detent for 4th. This is something I noticed on my PT, the shift linkage is not very precise and I think it needs adjustment. Hope that is the problem... The governor looks like it could be the next suspect..

Yup I've seen that video. In fact I've purchased a rebuilt 3208na & MT643 from them before about 20 years ago when i doing a conversion. I was treated fairly.
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OK, Finally got some bus time and it is indeed not shifting in to 4th gear! Here's the shift patterns I observed;

Gear - RPM - Speed
1 - - 2700 - - 12
2 - - 2900 - - 26
3 - - 2900 - - 36
3L- - 3000 - - 44
4 - never shifts again.

Top speed in 3rd lockup is 60mph @ 3000 rpm. So now I know what I'm troubleshooting so that's a good start!
In the testing video around minute 23 he specifies the run through gears, lockup occurs in 2nd gear then it shifts to third in lockup. That is the way mine always worked.

Gear -
1 - -
2 - -
2 L- -
3 L - -
4 L-
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In the testing video around minute 23 he specifies the run through gears, lockup occurs in 2nd gear then it shifts to third in lockup. That is the way mine always worked.

Gear -
1 - -
2 - -
2 L- -
3 L - -
4 L-
Yup I've been told that BUT when I tested today and manually ran through the gears lockup is in 3rd. I think my older '78 also locks up in 3rd so not sure why the difference?

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Gear - RPM - Speed
1 - - 2700 - - 12
2 - - 2900 - - 26
3 - - 2900 - - 36
3L- - 3000 - - 44
4 - never shifts again.

Top speed in 3rd lockup is 60 mph @ 3000 rpm.
I feel like I've been chasing my tail. I checked the mechanical linkage adjustment and it looks good. I just verified I am getting all the shifts and lockups but still only 55 mph at 2700 rpm. Here's the chart above reworded;

Manual shifting;
Gear - RPM - MPH
1 - - 2700 - - 12 - holds until shifter moved to 2nd
2 - - 2900 - - 26 - holds until shifter moved to 3rd
3 - - 2900 - - 36 - shifts to 3L
3L - 3000 - - 44 - holds until shifter moved to D
4 - - 2700 - - 55 - top speed in 4th 55@2700 or 60@3000rpm

So now a whole new problem, 4th gear locked up max rpm and only 55 mph. Is 4th gear not locked up? Would that be a tranny issue or torque converter issue? Do I need to add a temp gauge to see if it's over heating? Do I need to add pressure gauges to monitor the tranny?

I still need to pickup a filter and new Dextron III for the tranny. Doubt that will fix this issue but you never know and I need a baseline on the fluids anyway.
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BTW, adjusted the max fuel stop all the way out and still no black smoke. So now wondering whether I should leave it alone or remove it as I've read in another forum. They stated the max fuel stop was not really needed on turbos?

Bottom line is she now runs really good and strong on the bottom and mid range, as long as you don't want to go over 55.
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Just get forth gear, that is all.
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Just get forth gear, that is all.
but I'm feeling 4 distinct shifts after 1st gear so I think I'm getting 4th? I'm I looking at this wrong?
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but I'm feeling 4 distinct shifts after 1st gear so I think I'm getting 4th? I'm I looking at this wrong?
Are you feeling the converter lock and thinking it's a shift? Mine locks in every gear but 1st and you can feel it easily. Otherwise I've got nothing to add.
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Are you feeling the converter lock and thinking it's a shift? Mine locks in every gear but 1st and you can feel it easily. Otherwise I've got nothing to add.
No, I only feel the lock up in 3rd gear so that gear feels like 2 shifts. I verified that by manually keeping it in gears and shifting at 2800 rpm full throttle manually. Once in 4th it does appear to be locked the entire gear, letting my foot off the throttle simply decelerates.
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