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Switched to transynd... trans is happy....
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I would never use transynd in a questionable trans.
Too much money to take a bet on.
Lots of us have used 10-30 motor oil,with great results.
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I would never use transynd in a questionable trans.
Too much money to take a bet on.
Lots of us have used 10-30 motor oil,with great results.
Yup.. great minds..

For troubleshooting I'll stick with a cheap approved fluid. also since doing it myself I cannot clear out the torque converter and don't want to mix unlike fluids.

As Randy mentioned the Allison Manual shows it can use many oils so just might think of changing to a motor oil instead?
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After I had my transmission on the FC rebuild they recommended 15-40 motor oil. I ran Delo 15-40 the same as the engine and did not have problems. My transmission always went 1st, 2nd, 2nd lockup, 3rd, 4th. 3rd and 4th were in lock up, once it locks up it stayed locked until you get back to first. I found it very important to get the transmission to 2nd lockup, in 1st or 2nd without lock up the transmission would be slipping and heat up rapidly. I had a transmission temp gage and you could see it rise.
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After I had my transmission on the FC rebuild they recommended 15-40 motor oil. I ran Delo 15-40 the same as the engine and did not have problems. My transmission always went 1st, 2nd, 2nd lockup, 3rd, 4th. 3rd and 4th were in lock up, once it locks up it stayed locked until you get back to first. I found it very important to get the transmission to 2nd lockup, in 1st or 2nd without lock up the transmission would be slipping and heat up rapidly. I had a transmission temp gage and you could see it rise.
Good info Lucas. I've always heard to run Rotella 15-40 in the CAT so maybe will run that in my Tranny as well? Would be nice to only carry one oil in quantity in the bus. Then would only need a small amount for the power steering, which is next on my list. It's always wet and sounds like air in the system.
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Delo or Shell should do the same. Where is the power steering leaking? Is it on top of the steering box?. The seal there is easily replaced and that is where mine was leaking. There are numerous posts on replacing this seal.

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Delo or Shell should do the same. Where is the power steering leaking? Is it on top of the steering box?. The seal there is easily replaced and that is where mine was leaking. There are numerous posts on replacing this seal.
I'll have to open up the front again and clean all that area. It's kind of a catch-22 scenario. You open the front to gain access and close it to run the engine. I may have extend some hoses to better troubleshoot that.
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To get the top seal out, remove the retaining ring and the return line. Blow air in the return and it will blow the seal right out. Piece of cake, except for getting everything out of the way to do it.

Wrap the spline with cellophane tape or something so it doesn't damage the new seal when installing it.
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To get the top seal out, remove the retaining ring and the return line. Blow air in the return and it will blow the seal right out. Piece of cake, except for getting everything out of the way to do it.

Wrap the spline with cellophane tape or something so it doesn't damage the new seal when installing it.
Thanx Gardner, I'll be getting to that next.
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Man is there a LOT of information out there on Allison's and the fluids you can use. I found a good 9 year old thread on some military vehicle club that have deuces and other vehicles that use an Allison tranny. They all went into great depth on all the oils used in the tranny. They concluded that the only reason Allison "agreed" to use motor oils in the tranny was for the military so they could stock a single oil for both engine and tranny out in the battlefield. The gist was that it wasn't the best oil to use and some even stated it caused failures with the 4th gear clutch. I don't know how much stock or expertise are in these statements but enough to not ignore completely. To add to that is Allison shows charts showing different engine weights can be used BUT when you look at their approved TES fluids you don't see any engine oils mentioned? One other thought is most my research on ATF fluids shows most all are 20w fluids. So you could argue that a 15w-40 is fine as it's within range or you could argue 40w is too thick for a 20w replacement. Bottom line is seems to be a gray area and I'm going to avoid those for now until more research is done.

Bottom line is this time I decided to go with an approved fluid listed (TES389) and purchased 4 gallons of Castrol Transmax DEX/MERC. From literature is seems this fluid was targeted for '83-'96 year vehicles so is inline with the vintage of the tranny I have.

Other considerations;

- Ratings, everyone that purchased this fluid gave it an average 4.7/5 stars
- Availability - you can get this oil from AutoZone
- I ordered from Amazon last night and will be here today
- Cost - the oil comes in 1 gallon containers for $26
- The oil can be mixed with Dexron III without issues (oil in converter and cooler, lines, etc)
- Need an oil I can use in the power steering too
- Complies with TES rating by Allison

So this is what I will use for now while I troubleshoot. If this fixes the issue then I will stay with it. If not then I'll re-evaluate later. If I have to have the tranny repaired or rebuilt then I'll look at the TES 295 options like Castrol, TranSynd, Mobil, or Shell.

So tonight or tomorrow I'll find the time to replace the fluid & filters then give her another test run....


PS.. I forgot to mention I purchased the "High Miler" version of this fluid. It's supposed to be more friendly to older tranny seals & o-rings due to some other additives added.
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