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Old 09-12-2022
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Hi Jim, Can you post a direct link to those final regulations?
Here’s the link to what they’re calling the “Adopted Regulations and Materials Submitted to OAL“ (Office of Administrative Law). This 49 page final rulemaking package was submitted to OAL on August 23, 2022. OAL has until October 5, 2022, to make a final determination.

https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/sites/default...mfroatta-1.pdf

There are additional attachments to the regulations which are less relevant to our discussion that are not included (diesel smoke inspection, on-board remote diagnostic devices, etc).

Don’t ask how I got down this rabbit hole
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[QUOTE=bwinter1946;561471]In the past, "House Cars" pre-1998 were exempt as they had no emissions equipment and were pre computer engines. No idea what they are coming up with now.[/QUOTE


Forget everything I wrote. It’s all Greek to me.
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Here’s the link to what they’re calling the “Adopted Regulations and Materials Submitted to OAL“ (Office of Administrative Law). This 49 page final rulemaking package was submitted to OAL on August 23, 2022. OAL has until October 5, 2022, to make a final determination.

https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/sites/default...mfroatta-1.pdf

There are additional attachments to the regulations which are less relevant to our discussion that are not included (diesel smoke inspection, on-board remote diagnostic devices, etc).

Don’t ask how I got down this rabbit hole
It’s bothersome that the date (August 29, 2022) on the document submitted by Wallfly in post #1 is more recent than the August 23, 2022 date (in red) above.
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My bus will never be California compliant, at least during my ownership. Instead of worrying about it, I think I will just plan on not planning any trips to the state. Everything I want to see is right along the 2600 mile footpath that is the Pacific Crest Trail.
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It’s bothersome that the date (August 29, 2022) on the document submitted by Wallfly in post #1 is more recent than the August 23, 2022 date (in red) above.
If you go to the CARB web site under rule making and search on HD I/M (Heavy Duty Inspection and Maintenance), you get a bunch of hits; one leads to the status of the regulation. It's been going through public hearings and rewrites for years and is just now being finalized. The site has a section entitled FINAL APPROVAL / OAL ACTION; under this section, it says "This stage has not yet been reached" which means just that. In the next lines, it has the status of the regulatory approval which is what I listed (submitted to OAL on 8/23 with a deadline of 10/5 for final determination). If you carefully read the news release, it says the enforcers are just doing test runs of their upcoming regulations.

I'm not trying to downplay the reg -- it will happen, and soon. It's just that, at least for now, the reg explicitly says that out-of-state motor homes used for recreational purposes are not covered. Yes, the state law enabling this regulation allows CARB to include them; they've chosen not to at this time. And yes, they can always change their minds down the road.

This is not going to be a cheap or easy program to implement and enforce. I'm sure other states will be watching, but it'll be awhile before there is any data on cost and results.
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This reminds me of the implementation of noise mitigation standards for aircraft that went into effect last in 2015. 2/3 of the vintage jet birds (Falcons, Hawkers,Lears, Sabreliners) were permanently grounded (or sent to Africa/Asia). Many other models made the cut by installing expensive “hush kits”. Maybe an innovator will fill the gap with some sort of exhaust mitigation device like another member here commented.
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This reminds me of the implementation of noise mitigation standards for aircraft that went into effect last in 2015. 2/3 of the vintage jet birds (Falcons, Hawkers,Lears, Sabreliners) were permanently grounded (or sent to Africa/Asia). Many other models made the cut by installing expensive “hush kits”. Maybe an innovator will fill the gap with some sort of exhaust mitigation device like another member here commented.
I’m sure there will be people who try - lots of non-complying engines out there! Then again, maybe we should find a way to become the Africa/Asia for CA licensed motorhomes that can’t meet the standards.
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That’s exactly what’s going to happen as a result.
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Another reason to look into propane injection.

It is silly that they can't just Grandfather in privately owned older diesels and cars that were built in a time when these rules did not exist.
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10-4 on propane, changes my clouds of coal from black into gray.
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