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Old 04-20-2014
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Default 3208 250T oil filter confusion!!

From everything I've read, the correct filter for my engine is the Wix 51268/Napa 1268
http://www.fleetfilter.com/filter/wi...ers/51268.html



However, I went to the country today where the Bird is and it currently has these filters installed:

http://www.fleetfilter.com/filter/wi...ers/51798.html



They both have the same thread size: 1 1/8-16 but looking at the pictures the gaskets look as if they are in different places. I realize for some applications there are multiple filter choices (especially if they've been updated) but I'm just checking if anybody knows what the deal is. From looking at the specs the 51268 has better filtration but judging from it's smaller size probably smaller capacity (not an issue for my type of use).

This will be my first oil change and I'd really like to know the correct filter before I do the oil change (nearest parts house is 45 minutes from the Bird and it's an Autozone so probably wouldn't have the correct filter anyways).

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What I have written down for the 3208 is the LF3342 (Fleetguard) which crosses to the 1268 NAPA and 51268 WIX. $3.55 at ryder
John Finn shows the same numbers here:

http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.co...ead.php?t=4964 (for 87-89)

and here:

http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.co...NTING%20OF.pdf

bottom of page.
I have no idea what Autozone carries..
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51268 is what I've read everywhere but that's been for the N/A engines...I'm wondering if the filter specification changed when CAT added the turbo..
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I have run the 1798's for 12 years now.
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Although I do not know which is which, I know in Industrial Applications, there is a difference between the NA and the Turbo models. We have a NA, and always had to be sure to get the right filter.
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Duwayne, can you easily tell where the gasket should seat? Your right, there is quite a difference in gasket locations between those two filters.
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I would suggest you take a Wix and compare it to either a Cat, Donaldson or Fleetguard. The Wix is 3rd rate
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I don't have the answer or a recommendation, but have found both filter numbers either on or recommended for a 3208.

My Wanderlodge owners manual for the SP with a 300 HP 3208T notes cat filter 9N6007 which is the wix 51798. When I changed for the first time the filters on the engine were cat 1R0713 which is the wix 51268. Ignoring the 5 in a wix number gives you the napa number.

I always used 1268 on the FC. Used the 1798 on the SP this time. The gasket matching flange is very wide and either filter would seal. The 1798 has a big diameter and I won't be able to use any of my automotive type filter wrenches to get them off.
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I don't have the answer or a recommendation, but have found both filter numbers either on or recommended for a 3208.

My Wanderlodge owners manual for the SP with a 300 HP 3208T notes cat filter 9N6007 which is the wix 51798. When I changed for the first time the filters on the engine were cat 1R0713 which is the wix 51268. Ignoring the 5 in a wix number gives you the napa number.

I always used 1268 on the FC. Used the 1798 on the SP this time. The gasket matching flange is very wide and either filter would seal. The 1798 has a big diameter and I won't be able to use any of my automotive type filter wrenches to get them off.
The NAPA 1798 filter is what Mike has on both my 3208T and the Rebuilt Caterpillar 3208T Engine - 250 HP version he has for sale.
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What I have written down for the 3208 is the LF3342 (Fleetguard) which crosses to the 1268 NAPA and 51268 WIX. $3.55 at ryder
John Finn shows the same numbers here:

http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.co...ead.php?t=4964 (for 87-89)

and here:

http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.co...NTING%20OF.pdf

bottom of page.
I have no idea what Autozone carries..
Fleetguard lists an upgrade to the LF3342--the LF3789 with upgraded media. I imagine it offers better/smaller particulate filtration, maybe a synthetic fiber filter rather than paper? Might be able to get them from Ryder Fleet Products, I plan to try when I order later this summer.

Based on these filter lists, it seems the 3208 will run just as well with any of these filters. But I think someone ought to cut open some filters and see what is inside so we can find the best one for realizing the million mile engine. Think of future generations who will own that FC and SP. The best one would filter better, have more capacity, last longer, or something .

I took the serial number of my '91 3208/300HP to Empire CAT and they gave me oil filter 1R-0714. And Fuel Filter 1R-0750.

This CAT oil filter is a little taller and wider than the NAPA Gold 1268--the CAT filter holds a quart of oil. The sealing gasket of the CAT filter runs around the perimeter of the filter and has 8 oil flow holes, while the NAPA seal is smaller (like the WIX pictured in OP post) and only 6 flow holes. The NAPA filter will very nearly fit inside the sealing gasket of the CAT filter, that's how much bigger the CAT filter is, so it might have more filter media or surface area inside it for better flow.

I installed the CAT filters recently, they seal and no leak. I bet the same is true of the NAPA filter.
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