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Towbars, Hitches and Braking Systems for your Toads, etc. Questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding what equipment to use to tow your Toad with are discussed here.

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Old 02-08-2015
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Actually you want a 10% tongue weight when you tow so yours is just about right.
10% is minimum. 15% is better, if you have any trouble with the trailer fish tailing. 10% with some trailers is fine, not very good with others. They need to be 15% or so.
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Newbie here so pardon my confusion...

I'm reading all sorts of opinions about tongue weights and max towing and I appreciate all of the information. But I also see lots of different coaches and engines so I'm going to ask for a simpler way to figure out these answers. From what I've read, I've been able to figure that I can pull something in the 10K# range (or less) as long as I keep the tongue weight in the 10-15% range (although, I'm not convinced of the 15%).

Also, I'm a COMPUTER engineer so keep the answers relatively simple (like you're trying to explain it to your wife).

As you can see in my signature, I've got a 1985 PT36 with a 6V92 (ok, the engine is not in the signature).

Thanks in advance...
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I'd look here.. post #24 seems to know what he's talking about!
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I'd look here.. post #24 seems to know what he's talking about!
Good Post,
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I'd look here.. post #24 seems to know what he's talking about!
That Mike guy in #24 seems pretty smart.

However, he did make a mistake. THAT Mike said to stand on the hitch, and measure spring deflection, or air bag. Works for springs, but NOT for the air bags. The air bags have a leveler valve, which will add air when weight is added so that the vehicle stays level. Thus, there should be NO deflection, unless so much weight is added the added air cannot overcome it.
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Do he not got a spring coach
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Yes, he does. Works there. But, added for air bags too. Does not work for air bag coaches. Just needling him! I know he will get me back sometime!
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I think any reasonable trailer you get your coach can handle it.
The bus is not so much the problem as the hitch and the trailer.
When our busses were built the 2" receivers were the biggest thing you could get and only rated at 10,000 lbs.
Today the newer receivers are up to 2 1/2"' class 5 I think and can haul more weight.
My frame work around the 2"'receiver box is so heavily built you could hang the coach from it. So the weak spot is the 2" tubing the ball slides into.
Anyway you could pull up to a 30' oal Trailer and be fine if you keep the weight down to 10'000 and overall length to 65' ( that's combined overall length bus and trailer bumper to bumper, Darling, well you said! Explain)
I haul a 24' Haulmark Edge 12'000lbs. I just this week put two new 6,000 lbs Dexter Torflex axles under it and new rubber. Upped capacity from 10,000lbs not so much for capacity but for a little tougher components.
If you need more capacity you have a few options
Buy an all aluminum trailer. They cost more but weigh less which means you can put more stuff in it.
Buy a trailer built bigger than the average car hauler, heavy frame and if built for it use an equaling hitch, though I seriously doubt you'll need it, and by bigger I mean pintail hitch 17" + tires and appropriately sized brakes. You could go up 20,000 plus
When I was a newbie I asked what can I tow with my coach? The answer was anything you want. This was from Bluebird.
My point is when your coach was built these were the numbers used for the hitch and trailers available at the time your bus was built, your bus was built to much higher capacities but were limited by these other factors.
If a person was so inclined to modify their coach with the proper equipment you could haul anything you want
Your 6V is a good motor it can handle a lot just keep it reasonable
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Yes, he does. Works there. But, added for air bags too. Does not work for air bag coaches. Just needling him! I know he will get me back sometime!
I'm back! That is true on the air ride coaches, the auto leveler system will compensate. Springs deflect at some given rate (lb/in) but air bags are strange, I typically stay away from them

Another quick test is to simple have the family sit on the tail of the trailer while someone watches the tongue to see if it raise up at all. Typically it will make a small "clunk" sound and you can put weight or stand on the tongue to check for that slop. So it's up to you to decide who sits on the tongue and how much family you need to offset the 500 pounds..

A word of caution here, I find it better NOT to tell them why they are sitting there!
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Now this is what a bus trailer should look like
https://www.ebay.com/itm/282139065528
Needs a few more things like a car elevator but what a few grand mor
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