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Yea I am a bit worried about my shift linkage adjustment.. have heard that the shift linkage gets out of adjustment and then your trans is not fully in the proper detent causing it to burn up the clutches.. maybe what happened here..I am going to get under there and check the adjustment on the shift linkage.. I know mine is a bit wacky..
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maybe what happened here..

I doubt that if your pan is clean...
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Throttle cable needs to be stroked rearward fully @ wot. Tore down a 643 Friday, 4 clutch was toast, guessing yours is all gone. 4th clutch is the smallest in the trans.
Yea that's not happening. Throttle cable seems to just float with that long slot. While studying it closely I found a long spring laying down between the head and pump. Not sure it was for the throttle cable, looks more like throttle return? But I'll put it on and give it a shot.

Also you mention it needs to be fully forward at WOT but this linkage seems to work backwards? WOT the cable is fully pushed back to the tranny, idle the cable is pulled to it's max length

I've attached a pic of the cable with the spring I just added. (small spring in front of slot, larger spring was for cruise control)


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Did you check the governor screen... I doubt that’s the issue since you are getting the rest of your gears... but might as well clean it while you have it drained. Definitely need to adjust the modulator, that is determining the shift points.. the modulator will affect both upshift and downshift if adjusted too far in either direction. Either it will shift too quickly or shift too late... in the middle is the sweet spot..
Thanx Jeff, I did forget to check that filter. I've put a spring on the throttle cable and will test again. Shift points are all too high so would like to lower them.
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Yea I am a bit worried about my shift linkage adjustment.. have heard that the shift linkage gets out of adjustment and then your trans is not fully in the proper detent causing it to burn up the clutches.. maybe what happened here..I am going to get under there and check the adjustment on the shift linkage.. I know mine is a bit wacky..
Jeff, just an FYI... When I dropped the pan you can see the shift linkage detente inside the tranny. So very easy to adjust the external linkage to match the internal detente. so if you fluid needs replacing you can kill 2 birds with one stone.
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Jeff, just an FYI... When I dropped the pan you can see the shift linkage detente inside the tranny. So very easy to adjust the external linkage to match the internal detente. so if you fluid needs replacing you can kill 2 birds with one stone.
Thanks, yea I will be doing it on the outside.. I just changed the fluid recently.. so I do not want to pull the pan if I do not have to...
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WOT the cable is fully pushed back to the tranny, idle the cable is pulled to it's max length

That's the way it works, however the trans cable CAN restrict throttle opening, verify it's not. Correctly calibrated trans will up shift @ 2500 rpm. Linkage looks good.
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WOT the cable is fully pushed back to the tranny, idle the cable is pulled to it's max length

That's the way it works, however the trans cable CAN restrict throttle opening, verify it's not. Correctly calibrated trans will up shift @ 2500 rpm. Linkage looks good.
Thanx for the clarification. So I added that spring I found to the tranny throttle cable. I found the governor screen, it turns out to be a small barrel filter so will have to get one. it looked ok, but replacing it.

I let the bus warm up after the engine oil/filter change and checked the tranny fluid level, it was not even on the stick. I added 4 quarts before it showed on the stick. Air? Anyway I took it for another run and now it shifts good. First it shifts at 2500 but each gear seems to be higher and it still won't go into 4th. I did try to shift between 3/4 manually but nothing happens.

I also noticed that when slowing down it now down shifts into each gear and at a lower rpm so it's not jerky and doesn't feel bad. I think it's time to put a pressure gauge on the governor tap and see if I'm getting adequate pressure. Do i need to monitor both governor & main pressure at the same time?
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How's reverse work? Will it take power or slip if you mash the throttle?
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How's reverse work? Will it take power or slip if you mash the throttle?
I'll try that tomorrow.
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I'll try that tomorrow.
Tested reverse and it works fine, no slipping. Didn't work on the tranny this weekend. I removed the dash, installed the new tach, and replaced all the bulbs. I added a relay to the head lights to keep the load off the ignition.

I'm about ready to give up on the tranny and take it in. Seems sad as it works perfect in every other since, sure seems like something small and silly? Best I can figure is the valve body assembly must have 4th gear stuck? Maybe they'll fix that without pulling the entire tranny and wanting a rebuild.

Funny when I originally thought this was a "gearing" issue WW Williams wouldn't work on it? Rear ends are pretty standard so that didn't make sense? Now I'm wondering if they won't work the tranny either? Starting to think they don't like FC's as I've seen them work on PT's?

Guess I'll check with Rush or call Allison and see who they recommend? I'm sure Allison will simply take the tranny off for testing?
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