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you can walk all over the roofs of any bird,until you get to the 380/450.
Even wthout the aluminum you can walk on it.
It may be slippery!
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Thanks for the response, I should have been more specific. Safe to walk on without damaging the roof?
As long as you only step on the roof trusses. If you step anywhere else you're asking for leaks.
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Thanks for the quick replies. Curious minds wanted to know.
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Thanks for the quick replies. Curious minds wanted to know.
Mike lives in Az,he does not know anything about leaks!
I have walked on a hundred bird roofs,leaks come from screw holes.
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Even on aluminum roofed 380/450’s one can walk on them. Just be sure to ONLY step on rib supported areas. Underlying ribs are spaced roughly every 2’ and easy to find. Areas in-between will support some, but full weight applied to them risks depressing the aluminum sheeting somewhat. Rounded side/end edges and no goat rails means one must be VERY careful. It’s a long way down! With no rear roof ladder some have purchased 15’ telescoping ladders. These allow one to step off directly onto the roof from any position around the coach, reducing the need to “walk” on the roof. Have a couple hundred hours up there installing solar, sat dish & polishing with no accidents or leaks yet. Have used my share of Dicor Tape & Lap Sealant and it works. BB brochure says they tested it all to an equivalent 10 yrs & 250K miles. M380/450’s used lots of weight saving techniques without hurting strength. Even though 10 years has past, have never heard of a frame/roof giving way.
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Hi, new member here. We're not new to RVs or diesels but am totally new to Bluebirds. I'm not interested in electronically controlled injection pumped engines, nor RVs with slideouts. I do have a plethora of questions but will start with just a few.
1. Was a non DDEC offered in 1988 pt40s?
2. are all PT40s 1988-on wide bodies?
3. Which models had private toilets? I just don't care for the toilet in the middle of the walk through bathroom.
4. Are all the BMC 37s' engines mechanical 8.3s?
5. I'm 6'1" and absolutely hate not having a decent amount of headroom, esp in showers. I've read that the older FCs are pretty low. I've seen a few threads of people asking for interior heights but most have gotten very little in the way of answers. a.) Are the PTs taller than FCs? b.) Are widebodys taller still?
6. Were widebodies available with mechanical diesels?
7. I will have a toad or trailer (flatbed) with approx #6K max total. Barring the 210 Cats for power reasons are there any models I should specifically avoid due to weaker transmissions or marginal cooling systems? We aren't speed demons and tend to cruise around 65mph at most on interstates but prefer secondary roads whenever possible.
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Hi, new member here. We're not new to RVs or diesels but am totally new to Bluebirds. I'm not interested in electronically controlled injection pumped engines, nor RVs with slideouts. I do have a plethora of questions but will start with just a few.
1. Was a non DDEC offered in 1988 pt40s?
2. are all PT40s 1988-on wide bodies?
3. Which models had private toilets? I just don't care for the toilet in the middle of the walk through bathroom.
4. Are all the BMC 37s' engines mechanical 8.3s?
5. I'm 6'1" and absolutely hate not having a decent amount of headroom, esp in showers. I've read that the older FCs are pretty low. I've seen a few threads of people asking for interior heights but most have gotten very little in the way of answers. a.) Are the PTs taller than FCs? b.) Are widebodys taller still?
6. Were widebodies available with mechanical diesels?
7. I will have a toad or trailer (flatbed) with approx #6K max total. Barring the 210 Cats for power reasons are there any models I should specifically avoid due to weaker transmissions or marginal cooling systems? We aren't speed demons and tend to cruise around 65mph at most on interstates but prefer secondary roads whenever possible.



1-PTs are all mechanical engines
2-PTs are PTs,WB's are WB's,they are not the same
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4-yes
5-FCs are short,PTs are taller and WBs are taller still. On your other thread you said you wanted a pusher,so does that mean we don't talk about the FCs here?
6-no
7-No,so you are interested in an FC?
Just trying to figure out what we should talk about here to help you the most.
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Hi Randy
Been reading your stuff for years! Thanks for the quick reply.
No, even though I love the simplicity of FC powertrain layout the headroom eliminates them from serious consideration for me. I mentioned the 210 Cat as I didn't know if they were ever used in a pusher. I'm not disrespecting that engine at all, I know their reliability and output is MUCH greater than 99.9% of people try to lead you to believe with their "throw-away" comments. I promise you I've seen WAY more rebuilt 3208s than discarded ones! I literally grew up on boats in S. LA both as a commercial fisherman and in the oilfield.
So were all WBs electronic? How about the 36SPs? Its very hard to draw a hard and fast line on when/what was offered it seems.
Were any of the mech. models equipped with double pane windows? AquaHots? Again We'll be full-timing and after living in a 5'er for years we understand the hassle of dealing with cold and condensation in a dwelling with thinner construction than typical homes.
Is there an easy way to visually tell from pictures if its a Px or widebody?
Were all PT40s 8v92 powered? Were the 35,36,38s 6v92s? Would it be fair to say the SP36 and BMC are essentially the same but different? Crown Vic vs Towncar, Nice big extremely similarly capable vehicles that have many of the same options but one tends to be built with a little nicer/heavier materials. Its hard without being able to see them in person what differentiates what on paper seems to be the same vehicles with as little as 1-2' of difference.
I'm sure all of these questions have been answered many times, but like other forums with large post counts the search feature has become a bit unwieldy. The FAQ sections are great and I appreciate all the effort others have put into compiling and verifying the info they contain. Sometimes its hard to see a tree for the forest though
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not to be rude,but the best way to narrow down a search is to tell us how much money you want to spend.
If you only have 20 grand,it narrows the search quite a bit.
If you don't want to post that number in public,we understand.
My email is randy@randydupree.com
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So were all WBs electronic? How about the 36SPs? Its very hard to draw a hard and fast line on when/what was offered it seems.
Were any of the mech. models equipped with double pane windows? AquaHots? Again We'll be full-timing and after living in a 5'er for years we understand the hassle of dealing with cold and condensation in a dwelling with thinner construction than typical homes.
Is there an easy way to visually tell from pictures if its a Px or widebody?
Were all PT40s 8v92 powered? Were the 35,36,38s 6v92s? Would it be fair to say the SP36 and BMC are essentially the same but different? Crown Vic vs Towncar, Nice big extremely similarly capable vehicles that have many of the same options but one tends to be built with a little nicer/heavier materials. Its hard without being able to see them in person what differentiates what on paper seems to be the same vehicles with as little as 1-2' of difference.
I'm sure all of these questions have been answered many times, but like other forums with large post counts the search feature has become a bit unwieldy. The FAQ sections are great and I appreciate all the effort others have put into compiling and verifying the info they contain. Sometimes its hard to see a tree for the forest though
1. SP36 is all mechanical CAT 3208/300 turbo intercooled with ZF Ecomat electronic 5 speed trans
2. All WBs are DDEC 1 or 2
3. PT vs WB - there's an 88 PT40 and an 88 WB40 XXV on eBay right now, you can compare in the photos.
4. Aquahot was fitted 1995-03, uses a Webasto diesel boiler (school bus heater) integral with electric heat coils and electronics in a proprietary system that managed it, big hot water tank et.c.
5. PT35/36/38 were 6V92, PT40 8V92
6. SP36 is basically an FC35 with a pusher configuration and a little more headroom. BMC is a BB body on a Spartan chassis with a Cummins ISC 8.3L.
7. Call Randy, he knows where good coaches are!
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