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Old 04-04-2018
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Default Series 60 "no start"motor spins,will nor fire

Gasp!!!!
This is my coach!
Yes,even my stuff does not always behave!!

Heres the back ground.
Last summer out in Colorado we stopped to get fuel and once we were fueled up the coach would not start.
It spun over nicely,but would not fire.
While fueling a hail storm blew in and the back od the bus was out in the cold rain and hail,so we waited it out and i lifted the tail gate and tried to start the engine from the back,it fired right up.
***??

Ohh,this is on my 2000LXI,Series 60 Detroit.

We went to camp walmart and i changed the racor,just for fun.
The filter was full,and i was sure it was not the problem.

The rest of the summer it started fine.
Then last fall we went to Gainesville Fl to see the kids and in the RV park the coach would not fire.
An hour later it fired right up.

I had no more issues until Sunday.
On sunday we had friends over to hunt easter eggs.

I was going to move the bus to the other building and it would not start,talk about embarrassing!

I have Bill Pape,Mark B and Chap here and my bus will not fire! 'Damnitman!!

So we checked a few things,no go.
I pushed the "engine over ride" button and tried to start it,no go.

So,we check the fuel filter,its full of fuel.
We gave it a shot of starting fluid and it fired right up.
So? fuel pressure problems?
Racor gauge sucking air?

So,we plugged the racor gauge line,same deal,no fire.

The next day Chap calls,he had been reading on line about the problem.
He found a truck forum online where someone was having the same issues,and the truck would start with starting fluid.
The problem ended up being the SRS,which is some kind of cam or crank position sensor.
Later on i was trying to start it and was watching the Pro Driver screen and the screen flashed "Too Few SRS".

So,we are
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Randy look at the wires coming from the computer to the engine, couple of small plug connections under the intake, can come loose. Andy was checking these for oil, indicating another problem. I think this is where Paul had it come loose with the no start on his a week of so ago
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Thanks Maillie,i have that in mind,and also after Paul did his fuel pressure gauge i ordered a gauge to do that mod as well.
Of course i am dependent on Mark B and Bill P. to do the work,the docs have not released me to do any work yet.
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I have seen Bill up to his neck in oil, he may not be too smart, but if you can direct him
Bill & Mark on the same job, they could probably fix a helicopter
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I have seen Bill up to his neck in oil, he may not be too smart, but if you can direct him
Do you fellows know how troubling this thread is to many of us. On the one hand if proves that we are all mortal but it might be better if you keep things hidden so that our confidence isn't shaken. If you talk to John Wyatt and he's stumped I'd just as soon not know about it.

As to Bill not being too smart. He's not only smart he's wise. Bill's kept the Heckmom out of trouble on more then one occasion.

You guys make my day actually. Good examples set. Something happens no upset you just go about fixing it. I've got every confidence in Randy and he may not be too smart either but he's like me he knows who is. (Randy's plenty smart we all know that)

Ya all seem to solve problems no one else can.
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off to get an SRS or two,be back soon..
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I'm going to state the obvious here because I don't know what you've done. I disconnect all harness connectors and clean with electrical contact cleaner. If you need to replace it, the synchronous reference sensor (SRS) looks like its located in the rear of the accessory drive case just above the where air compressor mounted. If cleaning the harness connectors doesn't correct the problem, that may be the next solution. I attached the section of the service manual that describes how to test it.
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Randy, know you don't have a smart phone, so I sent a diagram of the 60 series sensor to your e mail. Might be handy if you don’t have It already
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crank position sensor can and do go bad... on my m11 mine would cause like a miss and hard starting,,,I removed the sensor and it had a crack across the face - it let oil/carbon get in....may be worth checking it out I was told this is a sensor to change every 5-7 years on cummins .
I am still learning series 60 mike
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Have someone take pictures of the connections you guys are talking about and checking (both wide angle and close ) so we all can visualize where the connections are and look like. You know - A picture is worth a thousand words! Besides then we know it really happened and keep Randy honest! LOL - Just kidding Randy!
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