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Old 12-26-2019
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HaHaHA...Hey Van ...did you use your best....Evil laugh while cutting up that samsung!
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Old 12-27-2019
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Default Lowes delivery guys were awesome!

New GE refer delivered today. Tip to Lowes guys negotiated ahead of time, was worth every penny! Prior to their arrival, I had sliced up and removed the old Samsung using my trusty Sawsall (yes Kip, it felt good! ). Also covered the flooring + entry area with cardboard. Helped them remove the three doors and interior stuff. Then we hoisted the empty GE box up and into the coach, right through the front door. That took all of a minute . It’s sitting inside now awaiting parts to upgrade the electric supply for the refer. Since we off-grid so much, I’ll be following KEV’s lead (see HERE) by installing a dedicated 1000 watt pure sine inverter and then using the main Magnum coach inverter as a backup. Details with pics to follow.

BTW - never noticed before that the shower valve has an access panel behind and to the right side of the refrigerator opening (last pic)
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Default GE GWE19JSLSS Installation Notes for an M380 (Samsung RF18 Replacement)

Just finished installing a GE GWE19JSLSS counter depth refrigerator in place of my malfunctioning 5 YO Samsung RF18. I have fought the Samy’s defrost issues long enough and wouldn’t put a new one in if they gave it to me (maybe ). Is the GE worth the $500 difference? Only time will tell. In light of its continuing problems, getting the Samy out of the coach was fun (see pics above) . After we removed the doors, the delivery guys lifted the new GE through the door and into the coach (for a tip that was worth every penny). Here are some notes about the installation:
  1. Measure your space carefully and accurately. The GE is ever so slightly larger in both width and height. I found the GE and Samsung in-stock and side-by-side at my local HD. That allowed me to compare each measurement and then go home to check them against my current cabinet space opening. Knew the GE was going to be VERY close with maybe 1/8” gap on the sides between the front inside vertical cabinet rails and the refer box width. However, at crunch time absolutely no cabinet modifications were needed. On my M380 it fit like a glove
  2. With the old Samy install, I had placed 2” thick pink insulation board inside the cabinet walls. To meet GE’s side air gap requirements, I removed that filler. This left a good sized gap between the refer sides and the inside cabinet walls. To block the refer in, I added a couple 12” long 2x3’s on each side and that should keep the GE firmly centered left to right (coach front to back). These were placed flat side against the cabinet walls and their thickness was almost exactly the same thickness as the front vertical rails. Again, it fit like a glove
  3. Instead of using screws to secure/attach the refrigerator with L brackets, it was blocked front and back, as well as top. Besides using the side wall blocks, two 2x3’s were wedged across the top (fastened to the side walls with L brackets) and 1x2’s were bolted to the raised platform at the lower-front, in front of the two rollers and they were bolted to the 1” thick platform which the GE sits on
  4. To add strength to the platform used with the old Samy, I added 1/2” of plywood resulting in a 1” thick platform. Again, this provided a secure bolt-nut attachment point for the front two lower blocks
  5. On delivery, the refer was placed in the coach on an HF furniture dolly which is the same height as the platform. This simplified positioning and made transfer of the refer box to the platform easy.
  6. Before putting the thicker platform in place, the new 120V 12-2 w/ ground Romex power line (in split sheathing) and the inverter remote cable were run to the new Xantrex dedicated inverter. For M380s, this cable can be run inside the lower wiring chase and then down into the electrical bay
  7. I have run the Samsung directly off the Magnum MS2812 coach inverter for years. However, the GE will be run off it’s own dedicated pure sine-wave power source. I added this smaller 1,000 watt Xantrex PS inverter for a couple reasons: 1) Redundancy - should the dedicated Xantrex inverter fail, backup is a simple matter of switching the refer to the “other outlet”. 2) When off-grid the coach Magnum inverter/charger has a low power use standby mode that continuously looks for demand greater than 50 watts. When it sees that demand, within milliseconds it ramps up supply. It’s great for normal supply but possibly not with repeated use by refrigerator circuit boards, and this may have been a factor in the Samsung’s early demise. Having a separate smaller dedicated PS inverter that stays ON with a low idle overhead will avoid this issue. An outlet with two different power sources was installed behind the refrigerator (see pic)
  8. Like the Samy, the refer box was pushed back into its surrounding cabinet so that the front box edge is flush with its cabinet. This allows the top two refer doors to swing open, fully for the left and to 90° for the right. All drawers and shelves can be easily removed for cleaning, when necessary (tested at HD). The felt pads I installed for the Samy on the cabinet wall behind the right door to keep it from marking the door, work fine. The freezer door can be removed with two small screws.
  9. Because the GE is slightly taller, the upper decorative cabinet panel made for the Samy worked, but had to be trimmed. The vent opening at the top was left intact to assist air flow behind the refrigerator.
  10. Without using it on a trip yet and ignoring the Samsung’s mechanical reliability issues, there are some features I really like about the GE over the Samsung: 1) The door shelves are HUGE. There is one smaller shelve and three huge one-gallon milk jug sized shelves on each door! 2) One interior glass shelve folds in allowing storage of taller containers like wine bottles, and the shelves are split in the middle allowing a staggered configuration. 3) The GE is Energy Star certified (while the Samy is not) so hopefully it is more efficient.


NOTE - Items with linked online references below may not offer the best prices. Recommend you do your own searches and also check online coupon/promo codes for the best discounts:

GE 18.6 counter depth French door refrigerator Model GWE19JSL – $1,498 on sale less 10% military discount with free delivery

https://www.lowes.com/pd/GE-18-6-cu-...TAR/1000347761

Xantrex Freedom X Pure Sine 1000 Watt Inverter - $379 less 10% coupon w/ free shipping

https://www.hodgesmarine.com/xan817-...SABEgK5ffD_BwE

Xantrex Remote Control w/ 25’ cable - $50

https://www.anchorexpress.com/xantre...iABEgJWGvD_BwE

Blue Sea Systems m-Series Mini On-Off Battery Switch with Knob - Red - $24
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00445KFZ2..._Cq5cEb4XK64MJ
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Great write up, I have been following your thread since our fridge recently went south. Will be replacing it in late February. I might have missed it but where did you locate the dedicated inverter?
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Very helpful, thanks!!
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I might have missed it but where did you locate the dedicated inverter?
Funny you should ask. Have been waiting for the inverter and remote to arrive from FL, and they showed up this afternoon! Part of the GE install was to prewire an AC line to the planned inverter install location. That will be either in the coach battery compartment or directly above this compartment inside the coach. On our coach, that compartment is in the prior LP bottle location - see HERE.

Won’t have time to work on this project until next week, but will post an update once it is in place.
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I thought about getting a little inverter for my fridge, too. I'd be interested to know how much quiescent power it uses. Nobody publishes this stuff, and the Magnum is dang low. The redundancy is good to have. I might add one external outlet to that inverter, if you get into a situation where the Magnum is out you might need it to charge up a phone or something. Never know!
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Default GE 18.6 Refer with Dedicated Xantrex Inverter & Energy Use

So far so good! After loading up the new GE with food the day before, arrived at Q yesterday and had a night with the GE/Xantrex combo. If you’ll be at Q and want to see what it looks like, look me up! Here’s a recap of the inverter install with some usage & preliminary power consumption numbers...
  • Recap - the malfunctioning Samsung RF18 was removed and a new GE 18.6 cu ft counter depth model took its place. That install is described above in post #13. Then a Xantrex Freedom X pure sine wave inverter was added to supply dedicated power to the GE thru one GFCi outlet located near the inverter
  • Kip asked where I located the inverter - Answer: Our dual slide coach has a very small inside shelf immediately below the right rear AC breaker panel. That shelf was too small for storage, it was used for the inverter. You may recall that in our M380 the LP bottle has been removed and the coach batteries were relocated to where many other BB models have them, in that new right rear exterior bay/compartment. That interior cabinet shelf is directly above the coach batteries so wiring between the two is short. The Xantrex Freedom X 1,000 watt inverter manual specifies a 105°F max operational limit and that it should be mounted horizontally (either flat or on its side) within 5’ of the supplying batteries. Those limits led to me putting the inverter inside the couch (since summer A/C will be available) and in that cabinet. Years ago as part of the TV lift project, matching cabinet doors covered the previous TV location and replaced the smoked plastic doors below. One of those cabinet door now conceals the inverter and I added deeper hinges to allow a 1” gap between the door and cabinet face for air flow. That gap is unnoticeable from the bathroom area
  • Initially I was concerned about putting a fan cooled inverter in the bedroom due to noise. However, the quiet white noise of a whirring fan is almost soothing and it only runs under load when the refer compressor kicks in. Unless a refer door is opened during the night, that’s currently happening only once ever couple of hours for about 20 min, with the rest of the time being completely silent
  • I took Andy’s suggestion (thanks!) and added an outlet near the inverter to provide a usable connection point for power from the refer dedicated Xantrex inverter. Besides it serving as backup should the main coach inverter fail, that outlet can provide power to a usb phone/MiFi charger without triggering the Xantrex cooling fan. This comes in handy when boondocking I will shut down the Magnum main coach inverter to conserve power (unless the DW needs her 40” TV running most of the night ). It provides a place to wire in a GFCI outlet to the refer
  • So how much energy did the coach use last night here at Q? - The new GE + Xantrex combination used about half the Ah’s overnight compared to what my prior Magnum MS2812 + Samsung RF18 used last year. Yes, I said half! At 8 am this morning just before the solar charging started to wake up, the total was -84 Ah . Last year on average I’d use around 200 Ah overnight. Without the Hurricane it’d be a little less and with it + some TV, use would bump up to near 250 Ah. Last night I didn’t use either. However, I’ve NEVER seen overnight usage drop below 100 Ah. Keep in mind that besides the new refer/inverter, our M380 has several “tweaks” to eliminate as many phantom draws as possible including: microwave, entertainment and slide computer/relay on-off switches to eliminate phantom draws as much as possible. Last night I did not turn the 12v Master off but that might drop usage even more. As it is, at night with nothing else running the coach now uses < 2ADC with the refer compressor OFF and a 10.8ADC draw with it running. However, the biggest energy savings over time is that when the doors are not opened, the GE refer compressor runs less compared to the Samsung (which ran all the time at differing levels). When the GE is OFF it's draw is almost zero. Last night on average the compressor ran for about 20 min once every couple of hours, resulting in a huge energy savings. In the next week or two at Q I’ll use different levels of energy going from last night to using everything including the Hurricane and TV’s, so stay tuned. The Xantrex display says the GE compressor pulls as much as 130 watts in recovery mode but only around 80 watts during normal cycling. It’s nice having that little graph showing at what capacity the inverter is operating. Bottom line the GE is very efficient =
  • If you are an M380 owner who’s debating between fixing the old Norco ice melter, going with a house Samsung RF18 or big $$$ a Fisher-Paykel, OR possibly spending about $2K on a marine 12V unit - there’s now a proven option that combined with a dedicated inverter is nearly as efficient as the marine unit. Plus it has a larger volume & better designed box that fits perfectly in the M380 space. Which to choose?
  • Could the GE replace the Samsung as the gold standard house fridge for RV’s? From an energy use standpoint, you bet it could. It almost perfectly fits in the same space as the Sammy, and its compartments are better organized as well as bigger. It’s better than Samsung energy efficiency is now proven and online write-ups about maintenance issues are far more positive (time will tell about that). About the only issue is initial cost of the GE being $500 more than the RF18. Worth that difference? That’s up to you.

PS - what remains of the Samsung is available for pickup at Q. See me ASAP cause it’s headed to the dumpsters when the rally is over
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We will be replacing our refrigerator at the end of the month with the GE model mentioned in this thread. Price right now is $1499. If all goes as planned, it can be seen at the Clearwater rally.
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