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Old 11-16-2009
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Lets stop and start over, Is there fuel in the tank?????

The 3208 needs fuel, the injection pump will suck fuel, with out the use of an electric fuel pump or ether or WD-40 or what ever.

It should atleast run at idle with several problems.
Find out if it has a hand pump and / or an electric pump.
Find out where the filters are located and how many are in the line, and change them again.
engine, racor, water separator etc. look for air in the filters.
when you find where the pump resides, pump it until fuel comes out of all the of the injectors, that you can reach with a wrench, at least 4 or 5 or 6.
Charge the battery and try again, check the air filter just for assurance that it is not plugged.
Drain some fuel out of the tank and look for crud.
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Red face Hi Bill

I have a Racor filter (new element), a fuel filter (new element) & a water seperator (new element) & it ran AFTER all elements were installed

I checked the air filter (also new element) no nests or clogs that I can see

I have used the primer pump ( on the top end of the engine) & cracked all the lines - no bubbles just fuel

I tried cranking the engine (plenty of juice to the batteries) & the fuel just trickles out of a cracked fitting - not as much pressure with the hand pump, is this normal?

Where is the main fuel pump?

By the tank?

The last time it started in April '09 it ran just fine - I know I should have started it over the summer - I didn't (lazy I guess)

But I never had any trouble starting it before
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Old 11-17-2009
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Andy:
I believe the fuel pump is just infront of the fuel tank, up by the frame.

Have you done what Mike H. mentioned.
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Andy:
I believe the fuel pump is just infront of the fuel tank, up by the frame.

Have you done what Mike H. mentioned.

No Facet pump on mine, but read this;

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My 82FC35RB doesn't have a facet fuel pump either, so Randy and I installed a Carter Electric fuel pump and relocated the spin on fuel filter next to the Baldwin Water Separator filter in the LP compartment.


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I tried the WD- 40 it did not have any effect

I removed the fuel solenoid completely & used a 12 Volt battery I have & it seemed to work fine several times ( pulling the plunger in)

The "flipper" it actuates, is moving normally (I think) it flips back & forth easily

What & where is the facet pump?

I haven't run across it in the manual

I tried cranking the engine with one of the fittings loose & it only gets "wet", not as much pressure as when I am using the primer pump.
Is that enough fuel?

As I recall the motor used to make a metalic "clank" when I would turn the ignition to "on" & I don't hear it now??

I really appreciate the feedback


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The Facet pump on our 1983 FC SB is above the rear driver's side air bag mounted to the frame rail. Replaced it last year. $70 or so at NAPA. Its a bear to get at and you get a nice diesel bath too if you have fuel in the tank.

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I have a Racor filter (new element), a fuel filter (new element) & a water seperator (new element) & it ran AFTER all elements were installed

I checked the air filter (also new element) no nests or clogs that I can see

I have used the primer pump ( on the top end of the engine) & cracked all the lines - no bubbles just fuel

I tried cranking the engine (plenty of juice to the batteries) & the fuel just trickles out of a cracked fitting - not as much pressure with the hand pump, is this normal?

But I never had any trouble starting it before
If you are convinced all of the above is not the problem, It is time to consider the injection pump. It is rare that it would wear out being parked, and not running. Maybe recheck the above items, and primp pump again.
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I'm not convinced.
First thing to check is the lift pump,the facet pump.
some coachs will not run without it.
Then,that hand pump has been a problem for many years,they don't get used,the seals dry up and they let air suck into the system.
and,they are cheap to replace.

Check or add a lift pump
Replace the hand pump.
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It sounds like your fuel rack is stuck in the no fuel, or off position. Remove the shut off solinoid. Work the lever up and down. You should feel some resistance when you do so. If the lever has no resistance, it is stuck in the off or no fuel position. Your engine ran OK untill you turned the key off in April. That means the fuel sut off solinoid has held the lever in a shut off position since then. This is a rare occurrance, but does happen when the engine has not been started for a while. You can try to start your engine with the solinoid off. Work the lever by hand to try to free up the fuel rack while cranking with the starter. Starter Fluid or Either can be used SPARINGLY in the 3208 engine and may help loosen the rack. Remember to give the starter time to cool after cranking the engine.
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Hi Bill

With the fuel solenoid removed the fuel rack moves VERY easily

Is there another way to unstick it?

Should I see any fuel in the area below the solenoid?
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Below the solenoid is a dry well no fuel is a good thing.
As Randy suggested find the pumps and prime and purge the injectors again, install an electric or replace the existing unit , this will make priming easier, then let the fuel run out the injectors. Recheck the filters and the hand pump.
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